[dkerby]

Jeff & BerntR, Seems to me that you guys are sticking with
the premiss that the left shoulder is offset to the center of
rotation. This is true, in most cases, with the shift and turn
concept. With the Hogan move, that V.J. Present, the left
shoulder is already even or ahead of the ball at the top of
the swing so that Hogan could have a left shoulder impact
circle center. On pg. 83 of "The Final Missing Piece" V.J.
says: "Review sequences of Hogan's sing in figure 43. From
this vantage point, the white spot above his right hip pocket
actually moves backsward or away from the target at the
start of his downswing. If the hips had moved forward to
start the downswing, this white spot would also move
forward or at least stay in the same position'. The pictures also
indicate that the left was at the ball at the top of the swing.

With shift and turn in the downsing, I can see many of your
points. But using V.J. and Hogans pictures from V.J.'s book to illustrate
what happens in a shift and turn method can certainly be confusing.
V.J. pointed out that his book not a method. It is an explanation of one Man's method.