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Golfbulldog - you wrote-: "10-13-D On-plane shoulder turn...Homer Kelley's words and photos...dianne's pics show the right shoulder moving down the turned shoulder...single plane throughout the downstroke..."the right shoulder moves toward timpact precisely on the preselected downstroke clubshaft plane..."

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You are seemingly implying that the i) right shoulder has to move down the turned shoulder plane, and then you state that the ii) right shoulder moves down toward impact on the preselected downstroke clubshaft plane.

If the preselected downstroke clubshaft plane is the turned shoulder plane, then i) and ii) are the same. However, what happens if the preselected downstroke clubshaft plane is shallower eg. elbow plane? Surely, it is physically impossible to move the right shoulder along such a shallow plane - unless you have the spinal/torso flexibility of Paula Creamer?

It would seem to me that the best that most inflexible golfers can do is aim the right shoulder towards the ball and hope that one has sufficient spinal/torso flexibility to enable the right shoulder to move down sufficiently in the general direction of the ball.

Jeff.

Jeff . . . you are making some good points. I think that certainly the shoulder location/motion major implications on the height of the hands and therefore the plane . . . also the direction of the hands . . . therefore the hand path . . . that's why Homer called for a "centered" pivot.

Could you speak to spinal flexibility? How do you determine how much spinal flexibility you have?

Thanks!

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