[Mike O]

Having the left arm perpendicular to the shoulder line at low point is actually an impossibility due to the power package structure being triangular in shape. The first time in a golf stroke that this shape is formed, is at followthrough - both arms straight and so even at this point, the left arm is still not perpendicular to the shoulder line. Any time prior to this - the right arm is bent making the angle between the left arm and shoulder line more acute.

Your statement implies that you think that this is even possible which is absurd and is completely offtopic and totally irrelevant. What bearing does the shoulder line being perpendicular to the left arm or not have on the FACT that the motion of the left shoulder center contains an upwards direction from impact to low point therefore moving the low point backwards a slight amount?



Sure, this is a slight offsetting factor whereby the clubhead is traveling in a circle around the left wrist, however the difference from impact to low point is nominal in comparison to the effect that the left shoulder makes on the clubhead.

There is nothing else that is going to make any effect on the clubhead going 'downward' motion that affects the clubhead downwards like your post implies.... this is again absurd.



My statements don't need to contain a health warning unlike some .

Trust me - you need a health warning!

I also just remembered that for me- your posts per thread - go on forever - without myself ever figuring out what you are saying. So I'm wrestling with the wrong tiger.

I'm with you on the perpendicular example- I just described it - as it was easy to show where lowpoint would be with a "machine" like that, before we moved on to a different "7" machine that might not as easily look like low point would still be opposite the lead shoulder but that was closer to your example of the golfer. So I really didn't mean to use the perpendicular example as something representing the human body- arm shoulder relationship. Then you bounced back to the human body- to show the absurdity of a perpendicular example. I'm with you.

My only point was in regard to your comment - I believe you mentioned that since the left shoulder was moving up before or when the left arm and clubshaft were opposite the left shoulder - that low point therefore would not be opposite the left shoulder but you calculated it would be slightly behind the location opposite the left shoulder. I used my "7" example to point out that the left shoulder could be moving up and low point could still be opposite the left shoulder. (Sorry ahead of time if I mis-quoted you) You may indeed be correct- but based on my simplistic "7" example- for me - I need more information to understand how low point is moved back- just because the left shoulder is moving up in an orbit- doesn't "prove" or "imply" to me that therefore low point can't be opposite the lead shoulder.

If you can disprove the "7" example (by itself) or elaborate on your idea with graphics or whatever else you need to supply- that would be great.

I like good discussions back and forth- those are the ones that you can learn stuff from. It's not my style to use impossible, absurd, etc. when posting but I've readily admitted that I'm an idiot at times- and Bucket has confirmed and not argued that statement when I have said it- although he's an idiot also- so I'm not sure where that leaves me! Most of my posts are absurd- and maybe all of them are absurd- so you might have a point! In fact, I sense that Bucket may be posting soon- confirming that fact.