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Believe it or not, Bucket, I am still not seeing it.

If you hold Nicklaus' right (rear) shoulder up longer. not allowing it to go down steeply, and told him not to tilt his torso so much toward the ground, it seems to me that his swing goes out more and down not as much, hence "shallower", which is what I thought I already tried to say.

Help!

UPP in snowy Ohio

OK . . . do this for yourself . . . Stand up . . . golf posture. Take your hands up as high and vertical as you can Nicklaus, Rory, Hoch . . . UP . . .

You are going to see how to stay ON THAT STEEP PLANE . . . ON PLANE Right?

OK now that your hands are REALLY HIGH . . . Make a startdown by Opening your SHOULDERS . . . . ARE YOU ON PLANE?

Now do the same thing and TILT EARLY . . . How did that work out?

Now take your hands LOW AND DEEP like Hogan . . . Now start down by Tilting early . . . ARE YOU ON PLANE? Now Spin OPEN? How did that work?

Try it for yourself.