LynnBlakeGolf Forums - View Single Post - Just plane confused! Thread: Just plane confused! View Single Post #42 02-10-2008, 03:20 PM 12 piece bucket Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Thomasville, NC Posts: 4,380 Originally Posted by jrbjr6 Dear Mr Bucket- First, thank you for your posts. I have learned so much from you. Your post #7 on "Just Plane Confused" could be one of the best one ever written on this forum. As the posts developed after that I got more confused especially after okie posted. Eventually you responded to him with this statement: You are having some issues with Grip Type, the #3 Accumulator (the angle and how it works), and Wrist Action/Hand Action. I'd say we need to start with your grip type because that is going to have a huge impact on how your hands HAVE to move during the Release Motions. How do you have your hand on the club pop intruction "strong" or pop instruction "weak"? See the pics on 10-2-B vs 10-2-D grip types. This really got my incubator going as I thought that I had a commanded on these subjects. So I'll bite. I have a 10-2-D grip. Could you respond with # 3 accumulator (angle and how it works) as well as wrist and hand action compatible with 10-2-D. I am a swinger if that matters. Thanks, Jim Burke J.B. Here's a post I did awhile back on Throw Out (which is what us Swingers do) . . . This is how BUCKET thinks it works . . . may not be HOW it works or exactly HOW THE BOOK says it works . . . but I think it's close. So this is the theory part. Next I'll give you how your 10-2-D Grip has to work with the theory . . . throw out must happen on-plane . . . so it is On-Plane Throw Out. Throw Out can certainly be given over to CF for sure. But I think that many (me included) neglect to understand that the #3 Accumulator Roll/Swivel prior to Low Point is an OUTWARD motion. One of the most difficult things to learn is to Roll and Swivel while maintaining a relationship to straight Plane Line. I'm not sure that you can just turn that over to CF at least in the steeper learning curve portion of a G.O.L.F.er's life. If you Roll and Swivel underplane you just executed the #1 Snare . . . Steering. Uncock (extend the lever) down and out on plane to the plane line . . . roll out on plane to low point. Another misconception that I think I'm starting to hatch in the incubator is that deemed #2 is the Velocity Accumulator . . . NOT because the uncocking happens fast. But because the Uncocking is simply an extension of the radius . . . and since the clubhead is at the end of the radius it speed is increased geometrically as a result of being further from the axis of rotation. So it is simply lever extension . . . not necessarily any great effort or need to happen "fast". As a result of the extension (fleeing from center) the clubhead's speed increases. But also as a result of the extension and the law of conservation of angular momentum, the angular velocity of the entire system slows down because the radius is extended. So you can't make it speed up around the CIRCLE but you will get speed as a result of the extension of the lever assembly with the clubhead being farther from the center of rotation. So basically don't try to speed it up around the circle . . . you can't. Just extend the lever assembly DOWNPLANE and as a result the clubhead has to go faster. But the entire unit moves around the circle SLOWER in compliance with law. Angular Momentum = Mass X Angular Velocity X Radius . . . Radius is bigger . . . mass is constant . . . so Angular Velocity MUST go down inorder to conserve momentum. But the Tangential Velocity (linear velocity) is increasing because the point of the radius is farther from the center of the circle. And . . . A Wrist Throw is pretty much exclusively a Swinger's procedure. And it is very much with respect to the Left Wrist if we are talking a right handed player. If you want to see what a Wrist Throw is just go pick up your hammer and make that motion like hammering a board. That's it. For a Golf like motion you just hammer on an Inclined Plane of motion rather than a Vertical Plane. The wrist makes the exact same motion your left hand is just turned to the plane. For the Swinger the Wrist Throw is actuated via CF and then the #3 Accumulator (Roll) picks up the residual speed hence the name Transfer Power. The Velocity Accumulator (#2) is a very short motion. Just make a left hand hammering motion without moving your arm at all. #2 is just inches from full extension at all times. To get the Wrist Throw down without breaking down the Left Arm Flying Wedge you DON'T FOLLOW THE UNCOCKING (DOWNARD MOTION) WITH A HORIZONTAL MOTION (FLIP) . . . YOU FOLLOW THE UNCOCKING WITH A ROTATION (ROLL OF THE #3 ACCUMULATOR). You may have to learn this in sequence (sequenced release) Uncock then Roll all on the same line as in a Non-Automatic Release. Once you can perform the Motions then you can jack it up with physics and perform an Automatic Snap Release by using an Aiming Point procedure. So G.O.L.F is essentially hammering on an inclined plane . . . . __________________ Aloha Mr. Hand Behold my hands; reach hither thy hand Last edited by 12 piece bucket : 02-10-2008 at 03:25 PM. 12 piece bucket View Public Profile Send a private message to 12 piece bucket Find all posts by 12 piece bucket