[phillygolf]

Manipulated Swinger=Right Arm Swinger

They are entirely different animals. Manipulated refers to the hand location and how that location is arrived at - via centrifugal force only or by manipulating the hands to get to a location. 'Manipulation' is not a negative connotation in this regards. Right arm swinging refers to replacing the left shoulder as the swing center with the right elbow. A right arm swinger could be a manipulated or true swinger.

I'm sorry Patrick, I accelerate the club with my right arm but the swing arc is still my left shoulder with an automatic Snap release.....if I sweep release the arc changes to my right elbow.....study 10-20-B about early and late releases.

10-20 is trigger types for beginning the release of the power package and as far as I know, that is the only implication of that section - to define when the power package begins to release, or is triggered into releasing. I cannot see how this would have any bearing on the center of the stroke.

Dave, we just disagree. Again, I only wanted to give another point of view.

See you guys in 6 months.

Patrick