[Golfie McG]

Originally Posted by Golfie McG

Originally Posted by Martee Golfie 1. I don't subscribe to JK. Have read only a little of his stuff and ...... 2. You seem to rely on Jorgenson Quote: Jorgenson in "The Physics of Golf" determines that only the legs contain enough muscle mass to power the golf swing. Interesting to note Jorgenson did a paper exercise to come up with most of his conclusions. Actually regarding the power, he used the formula and applied it to the golf swing. Based on a professional golfer generates 2 hp (not sure where this number came from) he deduced that it require 32 pounds of muscles or 1/8 horsepower per pound and muscles must be used in pair, so 32 lbs. Since the arms and shoulders don't have 32 lbs he reasoned that other muscles must be used. Those were the legs, buttock, back aand abdomen. He considered these to be the lower body muscle group. The hips are key to momentum transfer. If hip action is initiated it is with the buttock's muscles. The leg muscles (hamstrings) can push and pull the hips. I find that in the introduction by Jorgenson, his description of Chapter 3, "... explains how the golf swing compares to theaction of a bullwhip, how the large muscles of the lower body, although they are not connected to the arms are used to enhance the speed of the golf club, how the pull of the shoulder on the arm works in the golf swing and who we find that the golfer does not swing about a quiet center in the downswing." I find his choice of words, 'enhance' to support the position I have held and what I have said. I stated earlier that the lower body 'amplifies' allowing greater power. As for the hip movement, I subscribe to this being either the first action in the down stroke, or as the golfer is about to complete the back stroke (for those who want a reference 12-3-0 section 6 #24). Martee, I have read Jorgenson and am glad that you have as well. I do not consider Jorgenson to be a definitive work (science does not stand still) and even within the quotes you have provided there is an error that I will show you that is pertinent to the discussion. Now let’s be clear about what we are talking about. We are talking about which muscles perform the work (physics sense) that causes the rotor of 7-12 to spin and drive the Golfer’s Flail. Choices are: Leg muscles that drive hip rotation. Torso muscles that drive torso rotation relative to the hips. Care to add any?? Can we at least agree on the topic and choices? Golfie

I am not sure where this is going, what you are trying to prove but the original discussion has long since been left behind and you continue to reframe the questions.

I also don't know where I incorrectly posted a quote, unless it was a spelling error, what did I quote wrong?

As for last suggestion, I can only conclude I am either not making myself clear or you are not reading what I have wrote.

Obviously we are having a failure to commincate.

I would be interested in seeing your references to back your position, cause I think it is clear Jorgenson doesn't but does support my position.

As for work, that was not what we were discussing.

As for the most powerful swing, if a golfer didn't use his entire body and longest club he would be a fool.

Martee,

I will post, in the next couple of days, a whole treatise on which muscles are useful for powering the golfer's flail. As to not responding to your comments specifcally there are many particular comments I could have made along the way but was hoping not to have to overeducate. It appears that more of a treatise approach may be more benfieical for anyone who still cares as the post-response dialogue inevitably leads to wiggling, misunderstandings due lack of common base, talking at cross-purposes, and sidetracking. I now more appreciate why Yoda goes to such lengths to compose comprehensive responses to significant rather tyahn trying to go along step by step.

Until then enough for now.

Golfie
P.S. It was not your mistake but Jorgenson's for listing incompatible muscle groups in his search muscle mass.