I apologize for another rookie question. I have been studying the book, along with the posts in this forum, watching Alignment Golf over and over, as well as studying a lot of S&T which I enjoy as well. I am diligently trying to educate my hands, which may become a lifelong program as they are not very bright.
Now what? I may be getting ahead of myself, but I am now looking forward to learning about pattern development (probably incorrect terminology.) I have not seen much discussion about full patterns anywhere. I have the list for S&T components, along with the basic patterns in TGM Chapter 12 for swinging and hitting.
Once I get started with the basic patterns, are there any component changes you guys always seem to see by those who have played a lot in the past, pre TGM? Are there any "pet" patterns you guys have created that you would like to share?
Perhaps patterns are more personal than I am making them out to be. Am I heading down the wrong path to learning?
Thanks,
Kevin
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Hi Kevin, I think that if you see TGM as full swing guide....you can try a small number of variations of the umpteen quadrillion.... not that many are actually practical....many are for putts or short shots though.
When it comes to full swing variations... I think a lot of TGM learning can take place by trying some of the non-auto release motions... when we get the book we all start looking at max trigger etc...but alot of learning about max trigger comes from trying to do the early releases with FLW etc... then hands path on downswing variations...
Also maybe start looking at stance and plane line variations....that seems IMO to be where MORAD does some work... using a specific plane/stance line other than the square-square variety to control ball flight...still working on this one...
Also well worth trying grip variation 10-2-D...I like this for some short game stuff though rather than full swing but there are enough strong left hands on tour to show that it works ok...
Hi Kevin, I think that if you see TGM as full swing guide....you can try a small number of variations of the umpteen quadrillion.... not that many are actually practical....many are for putts or short shots though.
When it comes to full swing variations... I think a lot of TGM learning can take place by trying some of the non-auto release motions... when we get the book we all start looking at max trigger etc...but alot of learning about max trigger comes from trying to do the early releases with FLW etc... then hands path on downswing variations...
Also maybe start looking at stance and plane line variations....that seems IMO to be where MORAD does some work... using a specific plane/stance line other than the square-square variety to control ball flight...still working on this one...
Also well worth trying grip variation 10-2-D...I like this for some short game stuff though rather than full swing but there are enough strong left hands on tour to show that it works ok...
Hi golfbulldog,
Thank you for the reply. Exactly what I was looking for, some ideas on where to start playing. I'm off to go read up on triggers, releases, hand paths, and 10-2-D!
Thanks Man,
Kevin
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Wow, I just spent another hour watching the Brian Gay Fundamentals video. I think I learned that you don't need to be fancy, pretty stock swingers pattern, I think, just a really solid structure and great fundamentals.
I'm starting to think that one would be well served working hard on basic motion, and working with the basic pattern for quite awhile, nothing fancy. It sure works for Brian!
I guess I was getting ahead of myself worrying about patterns. In the immortal words of Rosanna Rosanna Danna, "Never Mind!"
Kevin
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Wow, I just spent another hour watching the Brian Gay Fundamentals video. I think I learned that you don't need to be fancy, pretty stock swingers pattern, I think, just a really solid structure and great fundamentals.
I'm starting to think that one would be well served working hard on basic motion, and working with the basic pattern for quite awhile, nothing fancy.
Did you teach Mr. Gay The Golfing Machine? How many tour players do you think understand concepts TGM as well as Brian does?
I have never seen a player keep his right forearm in such a solid on plane condition for the entire motion as Brian does. It looks so freaking simple!
Extraordinary. When you speak of having a common language, I never dreamt of using that language with students. I thought it was more of a fun thing for when we boneheads get together. It is obvious now how beneficial our TGM language can be in getting a point across.
Sorry for rambling Yoda, I never would have believed at 51 years old I would be so excited about learning more golf swing concepts. I can't wait for the snow to melt, between S&T and Brian's motion I'm going to have a ton of fun experimenting...
Thanks for listening,
Kevin
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Did you teach Mr. Gay The Golfing Machine? How many tour players do you think understand concepts TGM as well as Brian does?
Yes, I did, Kevin. In addition to all our personal time together, Brian has spent an enormous amount of time digging through the archives and viewing the videos on this site. As a result, he has no peer in TGM understanding on TOUR . . . only Steve Elkington and John Riegger are in the same league.
Yes, I did, Kevin. In addition to all our personal time together, Brian has spent an enormous amount of time digging through the archives and viewing the videos on this site. As a result, he has no peer in TGM understanding on TOUR . . . only Steve Elkington and John Riegger are in the same league.
Yoda,
My friend Jeff Evans taught me how to get the right forearm on plane at address today even with this fat body. Watch out Brian and John, here I come!
Oops, what's that? There's more? ...
Hope you are having a great time in Europe!
Kevin
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Also maybe start looking at stance and plane line variations....that seems IMO to be where MORAD does some work... using a specific plane/stance line other than the square-square variety to control ball flight...still working on this one...
I'm not going to comment on the MORAD deal, but I do agree with the face/plane line/shaft lean/handle height variations approach. I think people get stuck on the "ideal" while learning how it all works. At some point you gotta learn to make the ball talk! You know how to trace a straight line? Great! Which one are you going to trace on this particular shot? I like to hit slight push-draws so I aim the clubface right of the target line, I then shift my plane line right of the club face alignment. I can do this from an open, square or closed stance...not equally well mind you! To most people this will appear to look under plane, but I traced the desired line. Without TGM concepts like tracing a straight line would be limited to paper! At some point however you gotta quit doing all the heavy lifting and program the ball!
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