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Originally Posted by stinkler
Maybe someone could post a video of a functional swing where the hands do not slow down at/towards impact? I've been looking at the tube and I can't find one, certainly happens for Norman, Woods, Hogan, Ogilvy, Gay etc etc from what I can tell, even without state of the art measuring equipment.
Maybe Newton never played so his laws don't apply here?
Here is one of a hundred available. Look at Tiger on swings where he uses a sit-down procedure. Look at Sam Snead. Look at Ben Hogan. Look at any golfer using a Sit-Down procedure. That's the Tip off of a Sequenced Pivot. Following the sit-down is a Hip Rotation which drives the right shoulder, which drives the left shoulder, which pulls the left arm wedge through impact. Don't look at Freddy Couples (Circle path).
ALSO: Look for pro's that move their heads slightly to the right during the Backstroke and tend to keep it there. They are keeping weight on the right side and using ground pressures to crank the Hips around.
Swinging with the Right Arm off the club will help train a sequenced pivot. Learn to move the Left Arm Wedge with your Pivot. Don't move the club with arm or shoulder muscles. It's also enlightening to find that swinging with the Right Hand only on the Clubshaft, that your right arm is helpless unless you can lock the elbow into a stiff lever. Even then, the Right Shoulder has too much play to handle the power applied by the Hip Action. But, Both arms together, with Extensor action, (Power Package) can be violently Propelled with little physical effort. The Hands can direct all of this force.
When your Pivot can Power the Swing this way, you will no longer have "Blackout" during the Downstroke. When the Arms and Hands no longer apply any force to move the Hands, you will imediately sense the Tracing of the #3 Pressure Point. You will immediately begin to keep the #3 pressure Points relationship with the Plane Line. Educated Hands. Hands Controlled Pivot.
You will Float load, Drive Load, Drag Load at will. You'll hit draws or fades with the slightest Plane line, target line and stance line manipulations.
Watch Ben Doyle. All Pivot. Sequenced Pivot, super Hip Action. But he never tells you "How to". Ben thinks that everyone already knows. Ben says: "Load it, Store it, and then Shoot it". And people stand there and listen but are a little shy to ask: "What do you mean by "Shoot it"?
I like this video but this is not in Daryl's quote.
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Last edited by innercityteacher : 05-27-2012 at 03:25 PM.
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Hi David,
That's interesting. I was just reviewing Ben's 24 component video were he talks about the Pivot. I never realized how much time he spends on it.
Here are some interesting comments:
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"Feet dictate the whole motion"
"Put the same amount of pressure in the feet, into the ball".
I'm pretty sure that Ben understands ground forces. He also said that feet pressure is the first thing he learned in golf when he was a kid.
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Air, I shot 94 on Saturday with three really bad holes. part of my problem is mixing Hitting and swinging. Check this out:
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Originally Posted by bioengine
Dave,
In Physics there is theory which I have been speaking of.
Theory is the understanding. Essentially what is important is how do you put the theory into practice.
As I have said previously is how do you train the body how to create the physics.
First step is to be tested to find out what your movement patterns are. Then you can build a program to train your how to create the right movement patterns.
I can continue to speak about theory for ever although people still won't be able to apply this in practice. It's not something you can go to the practice fairway and try to achieve.
You need to be given a program to train your body how to create the right movement patterns.
I speak to guys about TGM, they know the book exceptional well, but in practice they can't break a 100. Listen to them speak they sound like they can break par.
What is important is learning how to train your body how to put the theory into practice.
Now that I break Par on a regular basis I have less misery. Breaking par has always been a milestone and millstone for people.
With TGM it's been a guided struggle and I feel confident each time I play. I don't wonder how I'll be hitting the ball that day or If I'll have my "A" game. My best game this year is five straight birdies. I've only had one Eagle in my life when the ball hit the cup from 60 yards.
Up till about a year ago, every Hole was a scramble but I still posted a respectable score. Now that my swing is 100 times better than it was two years ago, I don't consider the big difference to be the scoring, but the lack of scrambling and absence of struggle. It's just a different game all together than two years ago. Two years ago, the best I would score was a 79 and the worst an 84. Today the best I'll score is a 69 and the worst a 75. So I think that a Swing which I know is 100 times better is giving me an average of ten less strokes per round. I even think differently on the course today. I play some tough courses but from only 6900 yards. Recently I played some courses in Michigan at 7400 yards and didn't notice a big difference concerning the Yardage.
I will probably not be striking the Ball any better than I do today. My chipping (which is great) could save me another stroke per round, and if I make all putts (my putting is great too) within 12 feet I'll save another 5 strokes. I hit 85% of the Fairways and almost as many greens. I only drive the Ball 250 yards. So, I figure I need to improve 100 times more. That's not going to happen.
The big difference between 2 years ago and today, is Knowledge. And, a some trial and error. It seems like I've learned a little more with each year (theory, then application) and I've finally ran through all twenty-four components and then some. I've been learning what seems to be a lot these past two months, but I don't expect to shoot a 60 any time soon.
I wish I could point to one or two changes that made a big difference but I can't. But if could say anything that would make sense to others it would be that my Pivot does the work and my hands are finesse even on my longest drives. Oh, and I lost a lot of weight.
My goal is to shoot par regularly, even so, there will be more effective and less effective days. I would say that my driving has never been better and my putting is very good now but my 2nd shots and chips are all over the place. Well, I am interested in the game and I love this as a hobby so it's good to have a challenge.
Pat
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