LynnBlakeGolf Forums - View Single Post - Air-time Thread: Air-time View Single Post #630 02-22-2011, 07:19 AM airair Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2010 Location: Norway Posts: 5,930 What is the difference between a closed stance and pre-turned hip? http://www.lynnblakegolf.com/forum/thread5989.html The easy answer to your question is that the Closed Stance relates to Component#5 (Plane Line) and the Pre-Turned Hip relates to Component #15 (Hip Action). As separate Components, they have and deserve their separate identities. Here's more detail, including why those separate identities are important: The Stance Line concerns the positioning of the Feet -- Square, Open or Closed -- as it relates to the Plane Line. In turn, the Plane Line is defined -- Square, Open or Closed -- in relation to the Target Line (the Ball Line of Flight). Thus, there are nine possible Stance and Plane Line Combinations. The Hip Action Component defines the work done by the Hips in leading -- or being led by -- the Shoulder Turn (in both directions). The Delayed Hip Action(10-15-B) is one of four Hip Action Variations, and it can be executed in relation to any of the nine Combinations of Stance Line and Plane Line -- not just Square-Closed (10-5-C) or the Open-Closed (third option of 10-5-D) or Closed-Closed (10-5-E). In its separate identity, the Delayed Hip Turn serves two primary functions. First, it inhibits Overswinging. By postioning the Pre-Turned Hip as desired, the player can automatically limit the amount of Shoulder Turn possible and thus limit the length of the Backstroke. This is in contrast tothe Closed Stance (in its own separate identity) which encourages the Maximum Hip Turn -- even more than the amount it is already pulled 'Off theLine' at Address -- and therefore the Maximum Shoulder Turn and MaximumTotal Motion of the Stroke. The second function of the Delayed Hip Turn is to better enable the Hands to Trace the Straight Plane Line during Start Up. Failure to Clear the Right Hipblocks the proper On Plane Path of the Hands. When this happens, the Hands simply go around the impeding Hip, and the Clubhead Oribit is destroyed. The Pre-Turned Right Hip assures that the Hip is, in fact, Cleared and that the Hands can then Trace the selected Plane Line. This function is the same regardless of whether that Stance Line is Square (10-5-A), Open (10-5-B) orClosed (10-5-C) or the Square and Open Stance Line Combinations of the Open(10-5-D) and Closed (10-5-E) Plane Lines. In the Closed Stance, the Right Hip is pulled 'Off the Line' at address for each of the available Three Plane Lines (Square, Open and Closed), and it therefore serves to clear the proper Path of the Hands during Start Up. However, the Delayed Hip Action would serve the same purpose not only for the Closed Combinations, but for the Square and Open Combinations as well. Also, it serves to prevent Overswinging with all three Plane Lines, whereas the Closed Stance Combination encourages the opposite. Yoda __________________ Air Last edited by airair : 02-22-2011 at 07:23 AM. airair View Public Profile Send a private message to airair Find all posts by airair