[tongzilla]

Hmmm, OK. So the same as when using the TSP, it's Ok for the shoulder to move above plane, so long as there is still some down to go with the out and forward. Would you want to turn parallel right from the get go or would you have a plane shift(of the shoulders) from the TSP to this parallel plane at some point after the Start Down?

The Right Shoulder should move directly towards the Ball during Start Down. Keep your Head still, and your Axis will Tilt as a result. As the Downstroke proceeds, it may not be possible to keep your Right Shoulder on the Clubshaft Plane, so it can use a steeper plane.

What about this quote, "The Right Shoulder should move toward Impact on the preselected Downstroke Clubshaft Plane. If it can't quite reach that Plane, then it's better to use a steeper Plane." I've had trouble with this quote for a long time and never get far, like when do you have a preselected clubshaft plane and when don't you?

The preselected Downstroke Clubshaft Plane is the Clubshaft Plane at Startdown. So if your Clubhshaft shifts to a less steep Plane during Downstroke, your Right Shoulder would be above Plane by Impact.

Is it only relevant to the very beginning of the downstroke? I now know that "toward impact" does not neccessarily mean all the way to impact and beyond, and in the case of the TSP is will not be all the way. But your also saying that when using a flatter clubshaft plane, instead of using a steeper shoulder turn(TSP), you can use a plane of the same anlge as the clubshafts but with a different baseline?

The Clubshaft always Trace the Striaght Plane Line, in other words it should be On Plane regardless of Plane Angle. This is not true with the Right Shoulder, especially after Startdown.

Bottom line: at Startdown, the Clubshaft should be pointing at the Plane Line, and consequently, the Hands should be On Plane, and the Right Shoulder should also be aligned with the Inclined Plane (On Plane). You check this by seeing if the Clubshaft 'intersects' the Right Shoulder joint at Startdown, rather than going above or below it. Camera angle is paramount.