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new stickman added


I've added stickman No.4 because when I look at swings people have labelled as using the TSP that's what I sometimes see.

No, you don't want to have a straight right arm before or during Impact unless you're striving for a "soft" Impact. Aim to have your Right Arm slightly bent (use some common sense here!). If it's bent too much, then maximum Clubhead Speed for that Stroke will not have been reached. If it's almost straight, you risk going into Angular Deceleration. So you want a bit of leeway.

Oh, when you said the second and third stickman were correct I figured you realised I drew stickman no.3 with a straight trail arm Anyway, cool info there Tong. I kept seeing the tiny amount of elbow bend people on the TSP often had and thought to myself surely more would be better. But if I've understood, now I know that so long as you avoid a straight arm, any elbow bend is sufficient.

Also, none of this matters if you don’t have your Right Forearm return to its Right Forearm Angle of Approach. That’s the by far the important thing. And it should determine the amount of bend you need. If in doubt, you want to build your pattern such that you can return to your Right Forearm Angle of Approach in the most consistent and powerful way as possible.

Thanks I'll stew on that for a little while.

I used the right shoulder joint to draw my dot. I didn't take into account the camera angle. I don't know how to do this, but if you can overlap the frame where Yoda is at the Top with the frame at Impact, it would be helpful.

It's just that to a layman (well me) the shoulder joint looks like one big circle, and it's hard to fathom why you guys choose one point though that circle over another. Doesn't matter I guess, usually the line people draw for the TSP goes throught the same spot in my imagined circle (lower portion)... it's just that you missed my circle entirely in that photo.

I don't know how to overlap frames either, but are you telling me that you can draw the line where you have it and when you move the clip frame by frame just before the end of the backstroke and just into the downstroke it looks like the shoulder is on that line? When I look at that clip and draw the TSP where I see it, I see alignments much more like stickman No.4 than No.2

When using a flatter Plane Angle, it's alright to have your Right Shoulder above Plane. Just make sure it's moving roughly parallel to your selected Clubshaft Plane.

Hmmm, OK. So the same as when using the TSP, it's Ok for the shoulder to move above plane, so long as there is still some down to go with the out and forward. Would you want to turn parallel right from the get go or would you have a plane shift(of the shoulders) from the TSP to this parallel plane at some point after the Start Down?

What about this quote, "The Right Shoulder should move toward Impact on the preselected Downstroke Clubshaft Plane. If it can't quite reach that Plane, then it's better to use a steeper Plane." I've had trouble with this quote for a long time and never get far, like when do you have a preselected clubshaft plane and when don't you? Is it only relevant to the very beginning of the downstroke? I now know that "toward impact" does not neccessarily mean all the way to impact and beyond, and in the case of the TSP is will not be all the way. But your also saying that when using a flatter clubshaft plane, instead of using a steeper shoulder turn(TSP), you can use a plane of the same anlge as the clubshafts but with a different baseline?

Sorry for harping on you Tong, I struggle with only a couple of variables, so I can't converse with Annikan[wink], Yoda is too busy answering other posts[mad/sad] and proly nobody else can make sense of my dribble, looks like your my man [mix b/w green smilie, purple embarassed and the sun glasses dude]

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