How can one wedge Roll without the other doing same ? Wouldnt you have to reform your grip to pull that off. Go from 90 degrees say to more than 90 in terms of the relationship of the two wedge planes.
Assuming a two Vertical , palms facing each other grip type : I see the Hands as Turning (or being turned by Pivot ) on the Backswing , Rolling on the Downswing , the wedges doing same. 90 (or whatever you set at Fix) staying fairly constant.
Daryl's drill with the bucket indicates that straightening the right arm (if correctly aligned) can hinge the left arm (from the shoulder hinge point), the handle goes from parall to the plane line to perpendicular to the plane line.
Innercityteacher understands, OMG, we talked on the phone for 60 seconds and he understands, he was very surprised - never knew it could be - but he can now Hinge with the best of them.
There's no secret, it's all in the book. If all of us don't understand this "Basic Alignment", "Right Forearm Motion" and "90 degree Wedge Alignment" then communicating is very difficult. Understanding TGM - Possible, Applying TGM - not possible.
If you get a Bucket with Handle, 2 "Red Sticky Dots" and a Dowel Rod, Call me. I'll walk you through it, painlessly. Or, wait for the "Video".
I have a feeling the video will light it up for all of us. Really excited to see it!!!
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Daryl's drill with the bucket indicates that straightening the right arm (if correctly aligned) can hinge the left arm (from the shoulder hinge point), the handle goes from parall to the plane line to perpendicular to the plane line.
And with the Top of the Bucket remaining "Level" to the ground.
Daryl, One point not clear to me. Where do U position the red dpts and what orientation should they maintain?
HB
One Dot on the outside of the Left Hand and the other on the inside of the Bent Right Wrist.
During Release, you'll see that the Left Wrist Rolls, its Dot goes from facing the Target Line to Facing the Target. You'll see that the Dot on the Inside of the Right Wrist Faces the Sky at Release and Still Faces the Sky at Impact, On-Plane Right Forearm Wedge.
The Left Wrist Rolls, the Right Wrist Doesn't.
The Handle Swivels from the Bucket. So the Bucket Drill removes the Release Swivel Action from the drill so that "Turn and Roll" while the Right Forearm seeks its Angle of Approach to Low-Point can be observed in isolation.
One Dot on the outside of the Left Hand and the other on the inside of the Bent Right Wrist.
During Release, you'll see that the Left Wrist Rolls, its Dot goes from facing the Target Line to Facing the Target. You'll see that the Dot on the Inside of the Right Wrist Faces the Sky at Release and Still Faces the Sky at Impact, On-Plane Right Forearm Wedge.
The Left Wrist Rolls, the Right Wrist Doesn't.
The Handle Swivels from the Bucket. So the Bucket Drill removes the Release Swivel Action from the drill so that "Turn and Roll" while the Right Forearm seeks its Angle of Approach to Low-Point can be observed in isolation.
Thanks Daryl.
I agree because I can see.
I would like to extend the disuussion of release on the plane to include a piece on "sequential" release.
The interpretation held by Most, is that #2 is released with the left hand flat to the plane then teh left hand is swivled into horizontal hinging and #3 (formed by the residual #2) is "rolled" through impact. I BELIEVE THIS TO BE AN IMPROPER INTERPRETATION of HK "sequential release".
I have mentioned this before and had some PM discussion -part Of which I include below.
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Originally Posted by HungryBear
A thought on roll;
If the roll to the vertical left-horizontal hinge alignment is early the total roll is only about 30-35 degrees. If the left is held on plane until #2 is released the left roll is almost 90 degrees and must be accomplished in a very short time and distance. this alone is problematic for a repeatable swing.
HB
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Not quite- We are not communicating - BUT - we are in pm so please let us get this on the same page because I see it as important.
Experiment: First with the left hand only - Flat left, clubface.
Take your flat-vertical- (cocked if U like, that will not change the clubface geometry at this point)
Go to address- backswing flat left to top- back of hand points across plane line 90 deg and at horizon.
TURN left hand to plane. 4-c-2. hand/clubface is on plane.
No we will come down 2 ways- Both will use 4-c-3 roll.
First -I will call this the BAD way - slow motion swing by sliding your hand flat down the plane, at about waist hight start to uncock the left (that is #2 ) if it was BUT keep your flat hand on plane. now just before impact, look at your hand on plane- You must roll 4-c-3 to vertical for impact. NOTE; the roll 4-c-3 must be almost 90 degrees and it occurs in a very short portion of the swing.
Second- I will call this GOOD way - slow motion swing by sliding the left hand down the plane- But - allow/cause the flat left to roll - 4-c-3 so that it is vertical at hip level. 2 points here. the 4-c-3 roll required was only about 30-35 degrees (on the plaqne to vertical) AND YOU are now in the horizontal hinge with a verticalo club face.
This can let the shaft stay on plane and you can use all the cf U can find- The clubface remans unfer the control of FLAT LEFT HAND.
Any speed, any power, any length, the second experiment repeats. over and over.
I can do experiments eith the right that compliment the left and OBEY HK rules.
As I believe the sequenced release is realy a "trigonometric" or proportional rate function and is completely on plane- with NO CORNERS or swivels dividing #2 from #3 release
Your thoughts. ?
HB
ps. Only 4 posts to go to catch O.B. ,
HB
Last edited by HungryBear : 11-29-2012 at 12:03 PM.
Because of your shorter front leg you should be playing below Par. But, from your post I can tell that you're twisting your legs and using that as your Backstroke Hip Turn (that's not in the Book). So, your knees are out of Alignment and Twisted all about and your only hope to shift your weight has been to use a stack and tilt type lateral move toward the Target to get your weight to move to drive (actually, it would Pull) your right shoulder. Why go through so much work? So much struggle?
Why not allow your Hips to turn and your weight to shift by bending your knees rather than Twisting them? That way, you can "LOAD" your Right Foot during the backstroke and turn your hips to initiate the Downswing using your right leg as a backstop (not launching pad) and your weight will shift at the appropriate time (about a millisecond before impact). See Ben Hogans book, "Five ways or something". Or, March in Place with your feet apart, knees bent and bend from the Hips. Then, your Hips will Turn, weight will shift, but your knees won't Twist. TGM.
It's unfair that you have a shorter left leg because it means that gravity will assist your weight shift and you'll be more powerful going through the Ball. You should give strokes to your competitors. When Obamacare finds out that it helps your game, they'll charge you more.
I'd feel bad if your Right leg was shorter.
Daryl's Helpful Tip: Load your Right Foot before you Load the #3 PP.
Won't turning my hips back and through simply throw me out over the Base Line of the Plane? Marching in place is simply lifting my heels- will try that but I could not keep my balance very well
when Lynn showed me that. RFT then belly button turn since I can't feel my artificial hip? or is it just planting the left heel?
ICT
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Why is there confusion about whats going up-plane and whats going down-plane?
ANY Ball Located behind Low-Point will be struck with a Down-Plane moving Clubhead. REALLY.
The Ball, should be struck while BOTH the Hands and Clubhead are moving Down-plane.
capisce?
It's no wonder many TGMers think the hands are moving downward at impact what with all the emphasis on DOWN DOWN DOWN - all the way to China! But the hand path bottoms out well before impact with the club head still lagging behind
You've got the club head correct - REALLY.
However, no "capisce" on the hands. Go to pg 193, fig 10-19-A and look at the hand path for Hitting and Drive Loading - it's curving upward. It's the same for Swinging and any loading or release type. If the hands are moving downward at impact, the club head will have beaten the hands to the ball from the line of sight perspective, and you will have complete lag loss and compression-less impact.
(that's not in the Book). So, your knees are out of Alignment and Twisted all about and your only hope to shift your weight has been to use a stack and tilt type lateral move toward the Target to get your weight to move to drive (actually, it would Pull) your right shoulder. Why go through so much work? So much struggle? 
RFT then belly button turn since I can't feel my artificial hip? or is it just planting the left heel? 
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