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Hi Kevin. Could you discuss what alignments need to be adjusted or created and sustained if I started my Hit from the above positions?
I have noticed a more "Down" sensation, as I maintain the Hula. I also feel more of a "spring-loaded" effect as I try to get to my shoulder level with my takeaway. Where should my hands be? Should all my PP's be aft of the shaft? The power of that Hit is amazing to me. Not pro-level but much stronger than my usual glancing blow. I push everything but it is a straight line push and very accurate and playable.
ICT
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HP, grant me the serenity to accept what I cannot change, the courage to change what I can, and the wisdom to know the difference. Progress and not perfection is the goal every day!
Hi Kevin. Could you discuss what alignments need to be adjusted or created and sustained if I started my Hit from the above positions?
I have noticed a more "Down" sensation, as I maintain the Hula. I also feel more of a "spring-loaded" effect as I try to get to my shoulder level with my takeaway. Where should my hands be? Should all my PP's be aft of the shaft? The power of that Hit is amazing to me. Not pro-level but much stronger than my usual glancing blow. I push everything but it is a straight line push and very accurate and playable.
ICT
It's all back to basic imperatives Patrick:
1) A Flat Left Wrist
2) Lag Pressure
3) On Plane through IMPACT
Add to that starting down with a little Hula-Hula using MacDonald drill #2 as your foundation. Weight must be left at impact with a centered head.
Homer and Yoda have laid it all out for us, and we don't have to go real deep into he book to find it. There is no better lesson than this for our foundation...
1) A Flat Left Wrist
2) Lag Pressure
3) On Plane through IMPACT
Add to that starting down with a little Hula-Hula using MacDonald drill #2 as your foundation. Weight must be left at impact with a centered head.
Homer and Yoda have laid it all out for us, and we don't have to go real deep into he book to find it. There is no better lesson than this for our foundation...
It's ok then, to feel a real limitation in getting to my shoulders with the backswing?
I know I could keep the alignments of Impact Fix (Stationary head and weight shift left) and slide the hands to mid-body for Standard or Adjusted Address. it's very comforting to lay the track, so to speak, and then simply push the Pinewood Derby car down the hill, so to speak. But, is there a problem or necessary adjustment to be made from a pure Impact Fix start-up? Angle Hinge is essential with a more open club-face I'm guessing?
It's wonderful that your elbow is recovering.
Pat
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HP, grant me the serenity to accept what I cannot change, the courage to change what I can, and the wisdom to know the difference. Progress and not perfection is the goal every day!
It's ok then, to feel a real limitation in getting to my shoulders with the backswing?
I know I could keep the alignments of Impact Fix (Stationary head and weight shift left) and slide the hands to mid-body for Standard or Adjusted Address. it's very comforting to lay the track, so to speak, and then simply push the Pinewood Derby car down the hill, so to speak. But, is there a problem or necessary adjustment to be made from a pure Impact Fix start-up? Angle Hinge is essential with a more open club-face I'm guessing?
It's wonderful that your elbow is recovering.
Pat
My opinion, and many won't agree, angled hinge or horizontal hinge is OK. With either one you need a finish swivel as taught by Yoda.
Impact Fix or Adjusted address, however you are comfortable. Experimentation to find what works for PATRICK's swing is KEY.
Don't complicate it so much. When you get to Cuscowilla you are going to see how pure basic fundamentals and imperatives will change your motion forever. No fancy stuff needed. So hard to do with type, especially from another bonehead like me who just knows enough to be dangerous.
Kevin
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I could be wrong. I have been before, and will be again.
My opinion, and many won't agree, angled hinge or horizontal hinge is OK. With either one you need a finish swivel as taught by Yoda.
Impact Fix or Adjusted address, however you are comfortable. Experimentation to find what works for PATRICK's swing is KEY.
Don't complicate it so much. When you get to Cuscowilla you are going to see how pure basic fundamentals and imperatives will change your motion forever. No fancy stuff needed. So hard to do with type, especially from another bonehead like me who just knows enough to be dangerous.
Kevin
Not complicate it? LOL! You know I have a Master's of Divinity! I use Chaos theory as engineers used slide-rules and pocket-protectors! To me, a straight line has 8 dimensions.!
Using my curtain rods/dowels though has been quite a breakthrough in the order of magnitude of the "fried chicken basket" and pitcher of Pink-Lemonade at Green Haven, where we saw the secret basement training room!
With the light curtain rods, I realized I was doing 1/2 Startup-Swivel ( a Swingers move sort of) and as soon as I put my left wrist flat and simply bent my right elbow up and down, the DOWN acted like a sledge hammer and I gained power and a full blown hook. So the Angle Hinge and open club face was needed to gain power and precision.
Kevin, as a good teacher knows, and as you conduct yourself in teaching, friendliness and a small insight or two is all a student can handle in a short period of time. I wished I lived closer so I could benefit from your fine approach as has Mr. JerryG and his FLW!
Pat
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HP, grant me the serenity to accept what I cannot change, the courage to change what I can, and the wisdom to know the difference. Progress and not perfection is the goal every day!
My opinion, and many won't agree, angled hinge or horizontal hinge is OK. With either one you need a finish swivel as taught by Yoda.
Impact Fix or Adjusted address, however you are comfortable. Experimentation to find what works for PATRICK's swing is KEY.
Don't complicate it so much. When you get to Cuscowilla you are going to see how pure basic fundamentals and imperatives will change your motion forever. No fancy stuff needed. So hard to do with type, especially from another bonehead like me who just knows enough to be dangerous.
Kevin
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Originally posted by YODA
Stilltrying,
Thank you for your support of our site over this past year. Your posts always inspire constructive thinking about the Golf Stroke, and we appreciate your contributions.
In the above Private Message to me, you asked for help in reconciling the Feel of Lag and Drag in the Downstroke Shoulder Turn with its role in supplying the initial Down Plane Thrust of the Power Package. In fact, the core concepts of Lag, Drag and Thrust constitute Step Two of the Power Package Sequence of Operation (6-0) -- Power Loading (6-B-0).
During the Start Down, the Thrust of the leading Body Turn and its Accelerating Right Shoulder transports the lagging Arms and Club Down Plane (6-K-0). This Action creates the Clubhead Lag Pressure that the Accumulators (via the Hands per 6-G-0 and 6-P-0) will propel toward Impact (7-22). This Load is sensed as a Drag on the Pressure Points employed. The Right Shoulder, having been placed On Plane by the Backstroke Pivot, remains On Plane by Turning directly toward the Ball.
The important thing is that, having Loaded the Lag, the Body Turn then continues to lead the Power Package throughout the Downstroke. This move -- On Plane Body Momentum Transfer -- transmits the Pivot Motion to the Arms (7-13) and thus constitutes both Aiming and Thrust.
However, a vicious Thrust is not required and, in fact, can be disruptive enough to cause Clubhead Throwaway (7-20). This is true even when applying Maximum #4 Accumulator Power, i.e., maximum Shoulder Turn Thrust against Pressure Point #4 (where the Left Arm contacts the side of the chest) during the Start Down (6-B-4-A). Every player has a top Turning Speed (2-M-3) and hence Handspeed (7-20), and no amount of violent effort will change it much. So, after supplying the initial Acceleration of the Power Package, the Body need only continue to lead in order to maintain its place in the Downstroke Release Sequence (6-M-1).
To grasp this concept, visualize yourself running toward a distant object. How long will it take you to reach top speed? Once you've reached this speed, can you do anything more -- pump your arms harder, twist your torso violently or even grunt louder -- to make yourself run any faster? No. And so it is with 'extra effort' and the Pivot Motion.
Regarding Feel, the lagging Arms, Hands and Club put a drag on the leading Right Shoulder, and this Feel should be sustained until the Release of the Power Package Accumulator Lag (Out-of-Line condition of the employed Power Package Components). However, just as with the Clubhead Lag (trailing Clubhead Inertia), the Pivot Lag (Lag and Drag of the Pivot Train) is never 'Released' (6-B-0). This gives the Stroke its Maximum Radius (from the Feet to the Sweetspot) and makes the Club very 'heavy' (Effective Clubhead Mass per 2-M-2-2) and much more able to resist the Deceleration Force of Impact.
My emphasis shown above, is to remind me that simple is powerful and DOWN is enough if it is done well and in -balance with the LAG securely resting on PP # 3!
ICT
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HP, grant me the serenity to accept what I cannot change, the courage to change what I can, and the wisdom to know the difference. Progress and not perfection is the goal every day!
Last edited by innercityteacher : 02-24-2011 at 12:54 PM.
Hi Kevin. Could you discuss what alignments need to be adjusted or created and sustained if I started my Hit from the above positions?
I have noticed a more "Down" sensation, as I maintain the Hula. I also feel more of a "spring-loaded" effect as I try to get to my shoulder level with my takeaway. Where should my hands be? Should all my PP's be aft of the shaft? The power of that Hit is amazing to me. Not pro-level but much stronger than my usual glancing blow. I push everything but it is a straight line push and very accurate and playable.
ICT
IMO, you straight push may just be a result of doing a great job swinging down and out. Nothing wrong with experimenting with aligning your machine a little left!
Kevin
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I could be wrong. I have been before, and will be again.
IMO, you straight push may just be a result of doing a great job swinging down and out. Nothing wrong with experimenting with aligning your machine a little left!
Kevin
Or, make sure the clubface at impact is aligned between your target line and your in to out and down path for a nice little push-draw!!!
Kevin
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I could be wrong. I have been before, and will be again.
Or, make sure the clubface at impact is aligned between your target line and your in to out and down path for a nice little push-draw!!!
Kevin
This is a great point. I prefer this to rotating the plane to the left personally. More power and compression. Ict do you Rotate your Grip for balls played back in the stance per 7-2? Or perhaps you're getting the face open dynamically during the swing?
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