I was graduating from High school that year and was in Mayo Clinic.
Originally Posted by O.B.Left
Yes of course , forgive me......Ive been trying hard for the last few decades to forget...
Dave, "The Hammer" Shultz, Rick McLeash, Bernie Parent, Bobby Clarke and of course Ed Van Imp.....
Old time hockey. There was one time and one time only that I cheered for the Flyers..
There was a special broadcast of the game in the room or highlights and I had just gotten my last set of pins removed from my hip and everyone was a Flyer for awhile!
Nice Video OB. BTW, I would never do anything to Daryl except take notes when he made a suggestion and cough in his back swing while on the green.
Patrick
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HP, grant me the serenity to accept what I cannot change, the courage to change what I can, and the wisdom to know the difference. Progress and not perfection is the goal every day!
Practice is best done at home, without a club and without a ball. (dowels and badminton rackets ok)
The Range and practice area and green are good for fine tuning and having fun.
When you Play, try to get the ball in the hole with the fewest number of strokes. (I'm not kidding)
Develop a Pre-Shot Routine.
Best basketball coach I ever had NEVER let us full court scrimmage. Always drills and half court scrimmage with lots of stops and replays (i.e. coaching). Years later, I asked him why. He said "I wanted the GAME to be the fun part that you guys looked forward to..."
If you tossed me a basketball today, some 30 years later, I'd shoot with no hesitation and no thought for my form -- I'd just be looking at the front of the rim trying to make it. If we played a pick-up game, I'd just be reacting to situations and PLAYING -- zero thought about form.
That has always been tough for me with golf (which I didn't pick up until I was 20 years old, vs. basketball with I've been playing since I was 10 or 11).
Best basketball coach I ever had NEVER let us full court scrimmage. Always drills and half court scrimmage with lots of stops and replays (i.e. coaching). Years later, I asked him why. He said "I wanted the GAME to be the fun part that you guys looked forward to..."
If you tossed me a basketball today, some 30 years later, I'd shoot with no hesitation and no thought for my form -- I'd just be looking at the front of the rim trying to make it. If we played a pick-up game, I'd just be reacting to situations and PLAYING -- zero thought about form.
That has always been tough for me with golf (which I didn't pick up until I was 20 years old, vs. basketball with I've been playing since I was 10 or 11).
There's probably something to this to a certain extent . . . HOWEVER . . . . golf is a much more precise motion and "internally" generated. Some people just "naturally" and "instinctively" stumble upon the correct set of "fundamentals". Some people stumble upon the "right teacher" too. That teacher may sell one bottle of pills and some students may need that pill others may not but get that teacher's pill anyhow. In addition the concept of shooting a basketball is pretty intuitive. However with golf a poor concept of how the game works can be debilitating e.g. the PGA ball flight rules, not understanding the face, not understanding down out and forward. You said in hoops you "don't think about it" . . . you just look at the rim. What do you look at in golf? You can't look at your ultimate target . . . . what is your intention in golf? Some of the same problems exist in hoops . . . Larry Bird regularly shot 90% in free throws . . . . Shack's mom would be dead as door nail if he had to sink a free throw to save her life. Basketball is a great game lots of things apply from hoops to golf . . . but I think from a movement stand point golf is much more demanding of precision and complicated in terms of movement required.
So with golf be sure that your concepts and intentions are correct . . . then start working on the movements that achieve the imperatives.
There's probably something to this to a certain extent . . . HOWEVER . . . . golf is a much more precise motion and "internally" generated. Some people just "naturally" and "instinctively" stumble upon the correct set of "fundamentals". Some people stumble upon the "right teacher" too. That teacher may sell one bottle of pills and some students may need that pill others may not but get that teacher's pill anyhow. In addition the concept of shooting a basketball is pretty intuitive. However with golf a poor concept of how the game works can be debilitating e.g. the PGA ball flight rules, not understanding the face, not understanding down out and forward. You said in hoops you "don't think about it" . . . you just look at the rim. What do you look at in golf? You can't look at your ultimate target . . . . what is your intention in golf? Some of the same problems exist in hoops . . . Larry Bird regularly shot 90% in free throws . . . . Shack's mom would be dead as door nail if he had to sink a free throw to save her life. Basketball is a great game lots of things apply from hoops to golf . . . but I think from a movement stand point golf is much more demanding of precision and complicated in terms of movement required.
So with golf be sure that your concepts and intentions are correct . . . then start working on the movements that achieve the imperatives.
Bucket,
I've said many times, "This guy is good!" Your post proves it . . .
The point was not about how close basketball is to golf in difficulty, but rather where my concentration is in executing the fundamentals of each "stroke." Golf is a more intricate set of movements with finer tolerances -- but then again, no one is looking to block your shot, either!
In basketball, I practiced at practice, but played in the game. I struggle to "play" golf, tending to stay in practice mode (thinking too much about how to swing) when on the course.
If you've ever heard of the Consciously/Unconsciously and Competent/Incompetent matrix, I'm Unconsciously Competent in basketball and with golf on a good day, I'm Consciously Competent -- still thinking myself through the swing.
My goal with golf, and esp. hitting, is to learn a set of fundamentals that takes advantage of my athletic ability, doesn't require the flexibility of my youth, and let's me be more consciously involved (versus all the "automatic" release stuff in swinging).
In golf, I take a last look at the target then look at the ball (or impact point, depending on what is working that day). I usually try to have just one swing thought like hands down the plane, or down and out, or something simple. Or, I'm concentrating on replicating a certain feeling that has worked or that I am working on from the range. Extensor action has been working pretty well as a feeling, esp. with longer clubs.
Ultimately, I do realize that I have to have good mechanics and then inculcate those feelings. I really like the idea of dowels and maybe impact bag at home, because I think you can be very close on mechanics but start compensating when there is a ball and a shot involved.
I absolutely agree about the different pills -- I tried a Haney book before finding this site and I could barely hit a ball! Like I said originally, when I first started playing at 20, I think I was a natural hitter. I'd play 3-wood off the ground as my tee shot and I can remember just beating down (and out I do believe) and hitting it pretty long. Then came the articles on sweeping your woods, etc. and here I am nearly 30 years later trying to re-learn what came kind of naturally...
I know what you mean. To the extent that I am a competent ball striker most of the competence is hidden from the surface most of the time.
Whenever I recover from a struggle with the game I tend to relearn a series of old lessons before I'm back on track. I know all of it, but I can't go around and think about every little important detail for every stroke. When I stand over the ball I want to take dead aim and only think about impact, ball flight and the target.
Most of us probably have a lot to learn from the pro's when it comes to preshot routine and preparation for each chot. They seem to be much better at keeping what they've got working without overthinking the stroke.
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