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Old 01-21-2010, 04:48 PM
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I attached a pic of myself post impact. I have maintained some of my right wrist bend/flat left wrist alignment. The next pic (cannot locate at the moment) shows the right wrist flattening big time. This shot was a well struck pull-draw. Why? The face is closing a little faster than is best. Why? My right arm straightened a fraction too soon. Why? My right shoulder stayed back as an equal opposite force to my straightening right arm. I can break par with it, but I can get a major case of the "pelosies!" Solution for me is to make sure that my right shoulder drives down plane, preserving my right elbow bend which in turn preserves the right wrist bend.
Man Okie,

How good was that swing!?!?!

I've never seen an Okie look that pretty at impact before, nor any South Africans!

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Old 01-21-2010, 05:19 PM
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Nice impact Okie,

I wish I was good enough to play par golf with my b-game... Actually I wish I had a b-game. I peak at C

I'm not sure what you ment by your "close..." title. Were you referring to my interpretation or your own stroke?

Regarding 1-F: /.../ Right Hand - Clubhead. Left Hand - Clubface. Essentually, the Left Hand should be conciously Monitored (5-0) from Start up (8-4) to Finish () so there will be no unintentional or panicky wobble. See .... And variations in Elbow Bend and/or location during Release will disturb Clubface control by the Right arm, making it an inferior procedurej() /..../

Frankly I am not sure what Homer says here. Is he talking about left or right elbow? It looks like the right to me. But that should be straight anyway so maybe it's the left. And why does he first talk about Left Hand - Clubface and then Right arm - Clubface control? Anyone who knows?
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Old 01-21-2010, 05:34 PM
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Thanks Kevin. Do not forget that I am technically an African-American now! I had guts enough to post that picture because I am convinced that more recent pictures will prove to be better!

1-F RIGHT ARM OR LEFT The “mystery” of the Mechanics of Golf fades away when Right Arm participation is understood (6-B-1). Whether its participation is active or passive is difficult to detect visually because in either case the Left Arm is ALWAYS SWINGING and the Right Forearm is ALWAYS DRIVING. But it is always a Left Arm Stroke unless the Right Elbow replaces the Left Shoulder as the center of Clubhead Arc. (10-3-K)

This, alone, does not properly separate “Hitters” and “Swingers” because it is possible to “Swing” the Club with either Arm but only the Right Arm can actually “Hit.” See 10-19. However, you will save yourself much anguish by using the Right Hand just for sensing and controlling acceleration and the Left Hand just for sensing and controlling alignments. Right Hand – Clubhead. Left Hand – Clubface. Essentially, the Left Hand should be consciously Monitored (5-0) from Start Up (8-4) to Finish (8-12) so there will be no unintentional or panicky wobble. See 6-M-0. And variations in Elbow Bend and/or location during Release will disturb Clubface control by the Right Arm, making it an inferior procedure (7-2). Only the Right Arm and Shoulder are in a position to “Push.” Everything else in the Stroke “Pulls.” Study Component 19. So, with or without Shoulder Turn, the Right Arm can contribute Hand Acceleration to the Downstroke and support all elements of “Resistance to Deceleration.”


It has taken me three years to understand 1F well enough for it to make a dent in improving my performance, especially what I underlined in 1F. I have NEVER had purposefull, on command clubface control until now....and then Some of you know what it is like to be a decent golfer with a nemesis. Mine was the pull, his fiesty brother the pull-draw and their deranged cousin pull-hook. Only one of them will destroy a good round as well as a good mood. I may be one of those guys that swears by just one of Homer's insights, and sees little else. The old adage of being good with a hammer...Forgive me if that is my answer to all the ails a particular golf swing! For Bucket it was to stop "goat humping!"
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Old 01-21-2010, 05:44 PM
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Thank you bernt. By all accounts my post impact look seems to be OK. I wrote "close...but no cigar" to suggest that my pic is not ideal (in that the clubface was rotating closed faster than I want) I hope I did not sound conceited by suggesting that I can break par with my b game. I basically said that I can break par with a motion that can do with some more precision. 1F helped me reconcile the small differences

Precision is reconciling small differences.So in my TGM journey I have discovered the link between right shoulder geometry...right arm bend...and right wrist bend. To me this is right arm participation. Homer said the mystery vanishes when you understand the role of the right arm. I agreed with him as a matter of trust. I now agree with him as a matter of experience.
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Old 01-21-2010, 05:46 PM
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Thanks Kevin. Do not forget that I am technically an African-American now! I had guts enough to post that picture because I am convinced that more recent pictures will prove to be better!

1-F RIGHT ARM OR LEFT The “mystery” of the Mechanics of Golf fades away when Right Arm participation is understood (6-B-1). Whether its participation is active or passive is difficult to detect visually because in either case the Left Arm is ALWAYS SWINGING and the Right Forearm is ALWAYS DRIVING. But it is always a Left Arm Stroke unless the Right Elbow replaces the Left Shoulder as the center of Clubhead Arc. (10-3-K)

This, alone, does not properly separate “Hitters” and “Swingers” because it is possible to “Swing” the Club with either Arm but only the Right Arm can actually “Hit.” See 10-19. However, you will save yourself much anguish by using the Right Hand just for sensing and controlling acceleration and the Left Hand just for sensing and controlling alignments. Right Hand – Clubhead. Left Hand – Clubface. Essentially, the Left Hand should be consciously Monitored (5-0) from Start Up (8-4) to Finish (8-12) so there will be no unintentional or panicky wobble. See 6-M-0. And variations in Elbow Bend and/or location during Release will disturb Clubface control by the Right Arm, making it an inferior procedure (7-2). Only the Right Arm and Shoulder are in a position to “Push.” Everything else in the Stroke “Pulls.” Study Component 19. So, with or without Shoulder Turn, the Right Arm can contribute Hand Acceleration to the Downstroke and support all elements of “Resistance to Deceleration.”


It has taken me three years to understand 1F well enough for it to make a dent in improving my performance, especially what I underlined in 1F. I have NEVER had purposefull, on command clubface control until now....and then Some of you know what it is like to be a decent golfer with a nemesis. Mine was the pull, his fiesty brother the pull-draw and their deranged cousin pull-hook. Only one of them will destroy a good round as well as a good mood. I may be one of those guys that swears by just one of Homer's insights, and sees little else. The old adage of being good with a hammer...Forgive me if that is my answer to all the ails a particular golf swing! For Bucket it was to stop "goat humping!"

I am going to post my swing one of these days for the swing jackels out there.
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Old 01-21-2010, 06:18 PM
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So... Is he talking about left or right elbow bend in 1F? And why is right arm associated with clubface control?
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Old 01-22-2010, 10:22 AM
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And variations in Elbow Bend and/or location during Release will disturb Clubface control by the Right Arm,

Right arm (or left if you are a warlock) The manner in which the right arm straightens will influence a list of things but particularly the #3 accumulator.

6-B-1-0...Active or Passive, the straightening Right Elbow with its Paddlewheel Action, powers, guides, and regulates the #3 Accumulator Motion..."
6-B-3-0 THE THIRD POWER ACCUMULATOR
Power Accumulator #3 is formed by the angle established between the Clubshaft and the Left Forearm. Accumulator #3 should never be “Out-of-Line – instead, it seeks to MAINTAIN its radial alignment with the Left Arm and Left Wrist vertical to its associated Plane. So, basically, Accumulator #3 Hand Motion (4-D-0) is “Clubface Control,” “Rhythm Control,” and “Roll Power Control” of the Right Elbow (7-3). Study 2-G and 7-20.




I am not suggesting clubface control is a function of the right elbow, but it is without a doubt an influence.

Players that have what I call a "deep impact" e.g. Trevino, Hogan, Furyk etc. have very stable clubfaces that do not flash closed.

This pic of Trevino shows very clearly that having ample right arm bend through the impact zone goes a long way to quieten the clubface. Trevino's just whispers!
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Old 01-22-2010, 01:22 PM
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Originally Posted by okie View Post
And variations in Elbow Bend and/or location during Release will disturb Clubface control by the Right Arm,

Right arm (or left if you are a warlock) The manner in which the right arm straightens will influence a list of things but particularly the #3 accumulator.

6-B-1-0...Active or Passive, the straightening Right Elbow with its Paddlewheel Action, powers, guides, and regulates the #3 Accumulator Motion..."
6-B-3-0 THE THIRD POWER ACCUMULATOR
Power Accumulator #3 is formed by the angle established between the Clubshaft and the Left Forearm. Accumulator #3 should never be “Out-of-Line – instead, it seeks to MAINTAIN its radial alignment with the Left Arm and Left Wrist vertical to its associated Plane. So, basically, Accumulator #3 Hand Motion (4-D-0) is “Clubface Control,” “Rhythm Control,” and “Roll Power Control” of the Right Elbow (7-3). Study 2-G and 7-20.




I am not suggesting clubface control is a function of the right elbow, but it is without a doubt an influence.

Players that have what I call a "deep impact" e.g. Trevino, Hogan, Furyk etc. have very stable clubfaces that do not flash closed.

This pic of Trevino shows very clearly that having ample right arm bend through the impact zone goes a long way to quieten the clubface. Trevino's just whispers!
Okie,

I think you are right on the elbow bend to clubface control, its something I am playing around with, the deeper I can get it the straighter the ball flight, usually a slight left to right pattern, which I think all three of those golfers above employed.
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Old 01-22-2010, 01:43 PM
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Well it is what the the right shoulder and elbow allow the left wrist to do most automatically...which in this case is angled hinge. Hinge action is still about what the flat left wrist is doing through the impact interval. Straightening the right elbow initiates the rolling of the #3 Acc. It must of course straighten, just not too soon. Right shoulder geometry/physics is a big key.
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Old 01-22-2010, 04:46 PM
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Well it is what the the right shoulder and elbow allow the left wrist to do most automatically...which in this case is angled hinge. Hinge action is still about what the flat left wrist is doing through the impact interval. Straightening the right elbow initiates the rolling of the #3 Acc. It must of course straighten, just not too soon. Right shoulder geometry/physics is a big key.
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