Sasq, you've come to the right place, Minneapolis that is. Home of Kevin Carter teaching professional, LBG and TGM guru. Send him a pm and all of your golfing dreams will come true. OK Im over selling this a tad I know.
Not overselling at all, Kevin is the real deal. Also, contact him soon, we are planning to get together at the dome this winter to hit some balls and talk G.O.L.F. Only way we eskimos can keep up with the grits crowd.
Not overselling at all, Kevin is the real deal. Also, contact him soon, we are planning to get together at the dome this winter to hit some balls and talk G.O.L.F. Only way we eskimos can keep up with the grits crowd.
dodger thanks for response. Kevin has included me in few emails about your group possibly getting together. Sounds great!
Wow, Thanks for the kind words guys, very much appreciated!
Someday soon I hope Yoda looks at having his students become a big part of his program, there is nothing I would be more proud of than being an Authorized Instructor of LBG. Someday, maybe…
OK, time to man up and say what I think in front of Yoda and all the GURU’s, if I mess up, please let me know, I can take it, that’s a HUGE part of the learning process, teachers have to keep learning too!
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Quote From Dodger Sasquatch, right forearm goes up. Look at Macdonald Exercises here at LBG. Try right forearm pickup while keeping the shoulders quiet. You need more armswing. I had the same issue, once I learned the right forearm takeaway and hand controlled pivot, it was amazing how different the backswing becomes.
WOW, Dodger nailed it in my opinion Sasquatch!
That doesn’t surprise me, I had the pleasure of working with Dodger a few weeks ago. He has studied The Golfing Machinefor a long time, and has seen many fine teachers. He has a beautifully educated set of hands, and they control his pivot very nicely. He was getting to the top perfectly, but then got a little bogged down by positions. When we started going from the top, past follow through, and using Lynn’s finish swivel to finish, the Three Stations, life was great! With proper preparation and planning, downstroke and impact positions are automatic. ALIGNMENT G.O.L.F.!
I like to look for the first wobble, and I like to first make sure you are complying with the Imperatives and Essentials, then as a one dimensional instructor of hitting, so far, I like to make sure you have Educated Hands and a Hands Controlled Pivot.
Swingers please forgive me, it may be my next lifetime before I fully understand hitting and attempt to learn more about swinging.
I would like to see more control of the hands as far as the takeaway. You take the club back with your pivot, pivot controlled hands, which gets you underplane and you need to compensate by looping it back on plane by the time you reach the top.
Please look towards the end of my Magic Right Forearm document and study the articles about Right Forearm Takeaway by guys like Yoda, Daryl, Loren, and Richie3Jack. I have posted with this response a picture that I believe was done by Daryl. I feel you want to strive for the “feel” of the picture on the right, “Extensor Action Takeaway.” The Extensor Action Takeaway will get you onto what I consider the preferred Turned Shoulder Plane faster. From there it’s just a Straight Line Delivery to your Aiming Point. How much easier can it get? Also please pay attention to the articles on Right Forearm Fanning. These are made for exactly what you need to work on in my and Dodgers opinion.
I have also enclosed a picture put up by Yoda of Brian Gay on the Explanar Plane circle which is also in my document. This picture tells a great story if you know what you are looking for.
I am a bit demented and perhaps a little brainwashed by Homer Kelley and Yoda, but I see a classic, “Look, Look, Look” situation. Brian is clearly monitoring his hands as they control the backstroke. His pivot complies with his hands and the pivot also complies with the plane rather than the pivot dictating the takeaway and where the hands go. With his Right Forearm on Plane set up, which I believe is a wonderful way to play, he has the feel of staying on a single plane throughout his motion. Beautiful and Simple. THE MAGIC OF THE RIGHT FOREARM baby!
Sorry, I got a little carried away with the length of this response, but felt it important to let you understand what I believe in before you decide to go with it.
Looking forward to meeting you and starting our LBG North studies!
Kevin
Sasquatch, I forgot, other than being a little underplane on the backstroke, you have a VERY NICE motion!
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Thanks Kevin for the great feedback and giving me the missing piece. Sas, once you get the one piece takeaway-turn nonsense out of your mind, the backswing will improve significantly. Harvey Penick was asked once how he taught Kathy Whitworth to have such a nice shoulder turn. He said he did'nt, she had that when she came to him, he worked on everything else. The only turn I think about is clearing the right hip if I find I can't get to the inside qaudrant of the ball. Once I got away from starting the swing with my shoulders, I noticed I was on plane, and good things began to happen. It really has changed my game and I can thank The Golfing Machine for it.
Thanks Kevin for the great feedback and giving me the missing piece. Sas, once you get the one piece takeaway-turn nonsense out of your mind, the backswing will improve significantly. Harvey Penick was asked once how he taught Kathy Whitworth to have such a nice shoulder turn. He said he did'nt, she had that when she came to him, he worked on everything else. The only turn I think about is clearing the right hip if I find I can't get to the inside qaudrant of the ball. Once I got away from starting the swing with my shoulders, I noticed I was on plane, and good things began to happen. It really has changed my game and I can thank The Golfing Machine for it.
Another great explanation Roger. Clearing the right hip is HUGE for me and I forgot to mention it in my novel. Thanks for adding it! Man, you are helping Sas visualize EXACTLY what he needs in my opinion.
Kevin
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Wow, Thanks for the kind words guys, very much appreciated!
Someday soon I hope Yoda looks at having his students become a big part of his program, there is nothing I would be more proud of than being an Authorized Instructor of LBG. Someday, maybe…
OK, time to man up and say what I think in front of Yoda and all the GURU’s, if I mess up, please let me know, I can take it, that’s a HUGE part of the learning process, teachers have to keep learning too!
WOW, Dodger nailed it in my opinion Sasquatch!
That doesn’t surprise me, I had the pleasure of working with Dodger a few weeks ago. He has studied The Golfing Machinefor a long time, and has seen many fine teachers. He has a beautifully educated set of hands, and they control his pivot very nicely. He was getting to the top perfectly, but then got a little bogged down by positions. When we started going from the top, past follow through, and using Lynn’s finish swivel to finish, the Three Stations, life was great! With proper preparation and planning, downstroke and impact positions are automatic. ALIGNMENT G.O.L.F.!
I like to look for the first wobble, and I like to first make sure you are complying with the Imperatives and Essentials, then as a one dimensional instructor of hitting, so far, I like to make sure you have Educated Hands and a Hands Controlled Pivot.
Swingers please forgive me, it may be my next lifetime before I fully understand hitting and attempt to learn more about swinging.
I would like to see more control of the hands as far as the takeaway. You take the club back with your pivot, pivot controlled hands, which gets you underplane and you need to compensate by looping it back on plane by the time you reach the top.
Please look towards the end of my Magic Right Forearm document and study the articles about Right Forearm Takeaway by guys like Yoda, Daryl, Loren, and Richie3Jack. I have posted with this response a picture that I believe was done by Daryl. I feel you want to strive for the “feel” of the picture on the right, “Extensor Action Takeaway.” The Extensor Action Takeaway will get you onto what I consider the preferred Turned Shoulder Plane faster. From there it’s just a Straight Line Delivery to your Aiming Point. How much easier can it get? Also please pay attention to the articles on Right Forearm Fanning. These are made for exactly what you need to work on in my and Dodgers opinion.
I have also enclosed a picture put up by Yoda of Brian Gay on the Explanar Plane circle which is also in my document. This picture tells a great story if you know what you are looking for.
I am a bit demented and perhaps a little brainwashed by Homer Kelley and Yoda, but I see a classic, “Look, Look, Look” situation. Brian is clearly monitoring his hands as they control the backstroke. His pivot complies with his hands and the pivot also complies with the plane rather than the pivot dictating the takeaway and where the hands go. With his Right Forearm on Plane set up, which I believe is a wonderful way to play, he has the feel of staying on a single plane throughout his motion. Beautiful and Simple. THE MAGIC OF THE RIGHT FOREARM baby!
Sorry, I got a little carried away with the length of this response, but felt it important to let you understand what I believe in before you decide to go with it.
Looking forward to meeting you and starting our LBG North studies!
Kevin
Sasquatch, I forgot, other than being a little underplane on the backstroke, you have a VERY NICE motion!
Yes thank you for the feedback! Much to think about. Let me make sure Im keep this straight. Extensor action and right forearm take away w/ 'quiet shoulders' will get me on plane? In the mirror seems to work. I guess before I was fanning w/ right forearm more horizontal and forgetting the vertical? And yes I turn back w/ shoulders...dead on there. What Im not sure Im following is the clear of hips as dodger was referring? This is on takeaway?
Clearing the right hip... if your hips don't turn just a little bit first, your educated hands will have a difficult time taking the club back on plane. They will want to fight with right hip that is blocking their path. Thinking X-Factor is NOT a good thing.
David Orr has a wonderful video called the Walrus and the Indian, or something to that effect. It shows how their must be equal parts of the tomahawk and the walrus, vertical and horizontal. To much of one and not enough of the other can be a nasty snare. The shoulders are only quiet at startup, then they must turn and go where the hands are directing them. Think about reaching up and behind you. Your hand knows where to go without concsious thought, and your shoulders follow, also without thinking about it.
Hips - a little pre-turn on the backstroke, combined with a little hula-hula to start the downstroke. This little bit of motion both ways clears a path for your hands to take over.
Kevin
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Stand erect, right hand like a traffic cop. Move your right hand back to a position over your right heel. Where are your shoulders? Thats right, turned 90 degrees and you did'nt even think about them. Hands controlled pivot. Sit in a swivel chair, reach behind you as if to grab something behind your right shoulder. Your hand moves back and you swivel in the chair. Hand creates movement not body. A preturned right hip, makes sure you don't take the hands too far out. Jack Grout taught Jack Nicklaus to reach for the sky in his backswing. This is the same concept, it has been taught for decades. Look at Mcdonald drill with a dowel across right shoulder. Hand pulls dowel, what happens to shoulder? If you use a hand controlled pivot, pre-turn the right hip, what happens with your head? Stays rock steady, right between the feet. As Yoda says, there is magic in the right forearm!
Man, these UpNordt TGMers are getting serious! I cannot wait to get to a dome with this bunch and work on hands controlled pivots.
Of course, with the recent snow and freezing temperatures we could be meeting later this week.
which gets you underplane and you need to compensate by looping it back on plane by the time you reach the top.
but I see a classic, “Look, Look, Look” situation. Brian is clearly monitoring his hands as they control the backstroke. His pivot complies with his hands and the pivot also complies with the plane rather than the pivot dictating the takeaway and where the hands go. With his Right Forearm on Plane set up, which I believe is a wonderful way to play, he has the feel of staying on a single plane throughout his motion. Beautiful and Simple. THE MAGIC OF THE RIGHT FOREARM baby!
Thanks for adding it! Man, you are helping Sas visualize EXACTLY what he needs in my opinion. 
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