It would be interesting to hear Yoda's comparison and in-depth explanation of the Shoulder Turn Throw (10-20-C) versus the Wrist Throw (10-20-E). How each is execute per the Swinging pattern. They're also listed as a combination trigger? Interesting.
10-20-C SHOULDER TURN THROW Sharp initial acceleration of the Shoulder Turn against the #4 Pressure Point Loading motion of the Left Arm (10-11) Automatically throws the Left Arm off the chest when the Pivot acceleration subsides per 10-19-C. See 2-M-4.
10-20-E WRIST THROW Here, the Right Hand remains palm-up to the Plane during the Uncocking of the Left Wrist to produce a Sequenced Release per 2-G and 4-D-0. Especially compatible with Swinging. See 6-H-0-F.
Wow. This is TGM. Digging deep into theory and then being able to apply the procedures in your G.O.L.F. swing. Dinner conversation.
Normally, the Shoulder Turn Throw and Wrist Throw are mutually exclusive. Sweep vs. Snap Release.
Shoulder Turn Throws, when Thrown from the Top, produce a Sweep Release. The Power Package unfolds during the Downstroke because the initial Pivot Acceleration is not maintained so the Left Arm moves away from the chest immediately following the Start of the Downstroke. It should be used when a No Wrist Cock Stroke is used.
Example: Swingers Long Chip or Level Wrist Pitch Shot needs a Shoulder Turn Throw to Drive the #4 Accumulator to Power the Swing. You need to acquire the “Hogan” tension in the Pivot (rubber bands – Hip Action) so that when the Left Heel is lowered to the ground (quickly lowered) it will Throw the Shoulders, which pulls the Primary Lever. This Throw, truly frees the Hands for Finesse control for these shots.
Whenever you stand Open-Square-Square to the Target to build enough X Factor so that Hip Action can power the Primary Lever, you are using the Shoulder Throw Procedure. If you use the Shoulder Throw Exclusively on a Full Stroke Shot, and Throw from the Top, then you’ll notice about a fifty-yard loss of distance off the Tee.
Wrist Throw. The Wrist Throw does not throw anything but is itself Thrown. With a Stationary Head, the Right Hand is Thrown passed the Line of Sight to the Ball while remaining Palm up. The Head must stay back in the Center of your stance and you must allow the hands to move forward of your head (Power Package moved by the pivot). Super-Pitched Elbow because the Right Elbow is almost at your Belt Buckle for you to maintain a Palm Up Right Wrist while the Left Wrist is Uncocking. Keep your Head, Clubhead and Ball behind the Hands.
The Purpose of the Wrist Throw is so that at the End of the Swivel (Impact or one inch before) Horizontal Hinge Action and the #3 Accumulator Roll, are overlaid, and occur simultaneously so that the Sweetspot remains tracing the same plane line. In the TGM 12-2-0 #20, Horizontal Hinge Action and The #3 Accumulator Roll are the Same Thing!
Can a G.O.L.F.’er employ Both, the Shoulder Turn Throw and the Wrist Throw during the Same Swing?
The ultimate Swingers Swing. Change 12-2-0 #24 to 10-24-E AUTOMATIC SNAP RELEASE. The fact that it Feels like there isn't a Release is only a FEEL.
Yes.
The #2 Pressure Point replaces the #3 Pressure Point and it must sense and Direct Pivot Power and Direction and Tracing.
Pivot Acceleration must not subside until Release so that a Snap Release rather than a Sweep Release can be used.
Slower Startdown, leave the Hands at the Top but pull the Left Arm down with the Pivot all of the way into Release. The Shoulders Throw the Left Arm off the Chest at Release (Hip Action synchronizing and Powering Uncocking and the Swivel).
The Picture below is what the Combination I think would look like on an Elbow Plane. Hips and Shoulders Wide Open. The Pivoting Hips keep moving.
Notice the Level Left Wrist at Impact and the High #3 Accumulator Angle and the Elbow Plane..........But the FEEL is that the Left Wrist is Uncocked at Impact. But the Ball will be gone before the Left Wrist is completely Uncocked. If he were on the Turned Shoulder Plane, his Hands would be more Turned and Higher. It Looks like he has a Weaker Left Hand.
Yes this is the stuff of dinner conversation. Food for thought.
Hank Hanney's book I believe outlines a right wrist throw. We G.O.L.F ers wouldnt be able to do it, our right hands kept level throughout the swing, our Right Forearms Flying Wedges intact. You can not throw something that isnt cocked after all. Hank teaches right wrist cocking I imagine. You could maybe push it, on plane with an actively extending right elbow but then we'd be in the Lab and not in this fine dinning room. On Plane, Sequenced release and thrusting anyone?
With the left hand turned to the plane the G.O.L.F er can if he so chooses throw the club shaft downplane, actively uncocking the #2 Accumulator Angle. An on plane hammer like uncocking with the Left Arm Flying Wedge remaining intact. Vertical left wrist motion as opposed to Horizontal. Both Wedges are intact actually. A non Automatic Sequenced Release that on camera will, interestingly, often show a later release for the former downswing blackout , sweep release types. And some added zip to the ball.
Its all about overtaking again and how to do it correctly. Impact Alignments. The left arm blast off ensuring that overtaking doesnt happen until after Follow Through, both arms straight. But without a trace of "hold off". Especially if you actively employ a Throw. You cant hold off and throw out at the same time, I dont think.
For me personally, when I start flipping it early I check my Lag Loading but also make sure Im employing a Throw. As if my Impact Alignments need a little help from the Throw Out action to make it all the way to Follow Through with out the clubhead scooting past the hands. Thats where Im at these days anyways.
Can you imagine how magnificently the worlds greatest player would adapt to The Magic of the Right Elbow? Tigers right wrist cocking is better than his old inside and closed move but.......can you imagine what he would do with the simplified motion that Lynn could teach him in about five minutes? Well show him in five minutes anyways , probably years of incubation, "why didnt you just tell me that before" etc etc. But show the worlds best the Magic and watch out. Not that Im worried about Tiger or anything but time is ticking by....
Im 51, have been trying to win my local muni's club C for years to no avail. Always a brides maid. But armed with a Magic induced Float Load I shocked the world (well my world anyways) this past weekend. 16 greens, an eagle, a triple bogey and a bogey, a bunch of birdies and a 70. Even at my age I am now longer and straighter than I have ever been. A two putt birdie on the par 4 16th cemented it all for me. Homer called it Magic and it is, no need to cock the right wrist. In fact its an alignment ruiner. Period.
Thanks to all who post here especially Lynn and Ted for their truly amazing and insightful personal advice. All made possible by the life long quest of Homer Kelley, whose language allows us discuss golf and G.O.L.F. with the unique precision that this crazy, complex game demands.
Normally, the Shoulder Turn Throw and Wrist Throw are mutually exclusive. Sweep vs. Snap Release.
Shoulder Turn Throws, when Thrown from the Top, produce a Sweep Release. The Power Package unfolds during the Downstroke because the initial Pivot Acceleration is not maintained so the Left Arm moves away from the chest immediately following the Start of the Downstroke. It should be used when a No Wrist Cock Stroke is used.
Example: Swingers Long Chip or Level Wrist Pitch Shot needs a Shoulder Turn Throw to Drive the #4 Accumulator to Power the Swing. You need to acquire the “Hogan” tension in the Pivot (rubber bands – Hip Action) so that when the Left Heel is lowered to the ground (quickly lowered) it will Throw the Shoulders, which pulls the Primary Lever. This Throw, truly frees the Hands for Finesse control for these shots.
Whenever you stand Open-Square-Square to the Target to build enough X Factor so that Hip Action can power the Primary Lever, you are using the Shoulder Throw Procedure. If you use the Shoulder Throw Exclusively on a Full Stroke Shot, and Throw from the Top, then you’ll notice about a fifty-yard loss of distance off the Tee.
Wrist Throw. The Wrist Throw does not throw anything but is itself Thrown. With a Stationary Head, the Right Hand is Thrown passed the Line of Sight to the Ball while remaining Palm up. The Head must stay back in the Center of your stance and you must allow the hands to move forward of your head (Power Package moved by the pivot). Super-Pitched Elbow because the Right Elbow is almost at your Belt Buckle for you to maintain a Palm Up Right Wrist while the Left Wrist is Uncocking. Keep your Head, Clubhead and Ball behind the Hands.
The Purpose of the Wrist Throw is so that at the End of the Swivel (Impact or one inch before) Horizontal Hinge Action and the #3 Accumulator Roll, are overlaid, and occur simultaneously so that the Sweetspot remains tracing the same plane line. In the TGM 12-2-0 #20, Horizontal Hinge Action and The #3 Accumulator Roll are the Same Thing!
Can a G.O.L.F.’er employ Both, the Shoulder Turn Throw and the Wrist Throw during the Same Swing?
The ultimate Swingers Swing. Change 12-2-0 #24 to 10-24-E AUTOMATIC SNAP RELEASE. The fact that it Feels like there isn't a Release is only a FEEL.
Yes.
The #2 Pressure Point replaces the #3 Pressure Point and it must sense and Direct Pivot Power and Direction and Tracing.
Pivot Acceleration must not subside until Release so that a Snap Release rather than a Sweep Release can be used.
Slower Startdown, leave the Hands at the Top but pull the Left Arm down with the Pivot all of the way into Release. The Shoulders Throw the Left Arm off the Chest at Release (Hip Action synchronizing and Powering Uncocking and the Swivel).
The Picture below is what the Combination I think would look like on an Elbow Plane. Hips and Shoulders Wide Open. The Pivoting Hips keep moving.
Notice the Level Left Wrist at Impact and the High #3 Accumulator Angle and the Elbow Plane..........But the FEEL is that the Left Wrist is Uncocked at Impact. But the Ball will be gone before the Left Wrist is completely Uncocked. If he were on the Turned Shoulder Plane, his Hands would be more Turned and Higher. It Looks like he has a Weaker Left Hand.
Daryl,
Where did you come up with the 50 yard loss in distance with the Shoulder Turn Throw as mentioned above???
My own experimenting in performing Shoulder Throws and measuring distance results. Also, I've taken each of these procedures to the Course many times. Direction isn't a problem. Distance is very easy to measure, especially off the tee.
I'll do ten or more Shoulder Throws. -50 Yards
Using the Pivot to Throw the Primary Lever from the Top with Hip Action at Startdown. You spend the Pivot at the Top. There's not much else you can do.
Ten or more shoulder Throws with Hand Throws. -25 Yards
Using the Muscles of the Left Shoulder, Arm, and Back to simultaneously pull the Left Arm Down while using a Shoulder Throw. Feels like a Hammer-thrower in the Olympics.
Ten or more Wrist Throws with my normal Downstroke Acceleration Sequence.
Slower Startdown, leaving my Hands at the Top while the Pivot Lowers the Right Shoulder and Power Package On-Plane to Release where Hip Action Throws the Right Hand past the Line of Sight. The Left Wrist Uncocks then Swivels into the Horizontal Hinge.
Hip Motion may lead the Shoulders. Hip Action Throws the Right Shoulder.
The Ball travels farther when the Accumulators are Released Close together. 1,2,3 at Release. Vs. #1 at the Top, #2 at Release, #3 just before Impact.
As soon as the Primary Lever moves Away from the Chest, the Left Wrist begins to Uncock. I can't find any Mechanical advantage to this procedure in a full Swing.
When the Wrist Throw begins, the Left Arm is still across the Chest though the Power Package has Lowered the Hands to Release during the Hand Acceleration Sequence. Hips and Shoulders are open (very Open) at Impact. When "Both Arms Straight" occurs, the Hands become centered in your Body. So, all of these actions and Impact occur while the Hands have not yet reached Center of the Shoulders.
See this for yourself on a Horizontal Plane.
Stand up Straight. Both Arms Straight at shoulder height and Hands Centered. Bend your Right Elbow a few inches while simultaneously moving your Hands to the Right so that your Left Arm crosses your chest. Keep that geometry while turning your torso to the Left until your hands reach line of sight to the ball. Shoulders are very open. That's pretty close to Impact.
I probably am misunderstanding the concepts put forth in this thread but....
I struggle many times getting axis tilt at impact, I dont have a steep shoulder turn, there are two ways that can help me.
1. is to make my normal swing but with a braced tilt built into my setup, head is clearly back, then I just think rotate.
2. take a more traditional setup per TGM. When I get to the top though I really think throw the club with my right arm, kind of like a "whip" or like skipping a stone. To do this you get into a pitch elbow with axis tilt. Is this the same "wrist throw"? I see no loss in distance, if anything I see an increase in height and carry.
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