I have decided I need to rebuild my swing to get to the next level. I have always struggled with a few common faults so I have headed back to basic motion to try to begin to sort these out.
That has lead me to a couple of questions about basic motion.
From my reading there is no pivot at all for basic motion. One of the problems I have is that my pivot stalls a bit through impact which I think leads a bit to me running out of right arm. Do you feel like basic motion encourages an “armesy” swing. Or should I just forget about that issue for now and deal with it once I get to acquired motion.
Also another issue I have is I tend to roundhouse a bit with the shoulders going over the top and therefore never getting the right forearm on plane. Where should the right shoulder be set when going through basic motion? Is it basically go to impact fix and that will dictate the position?
Finally as a swinger I should be pulling the club given there is no pivot does this pulling basically consist of loading #4 and releasing it. I.e. moving right arm across the chest then firing it off the side of the chest through the ball. I worked on all this a bit last night into the net and felt a few things that got the mind ticking over, but didn’t really get solid compression on any shots, wasn’t crisp, but that may just take time.
I have decided I need to rebuild my swing to get to the next level. I have always struggled with a few common faults so I have headed back to basic motion to try to begin to sort these out.
That has lead me to a couple of questions about basic motion.
From my reading there is no pivot at all for basic motion. One of the problems I have is that my pivot stalls a bit through impact which I think leads a bit to me running out of right arm. Do you feel like basic motion encourages an “armesy” swing. Or should I just forget about that issue for now and deal with it once I get to acquired motion.
Also another issue I have is I tend to roundhouse a bit with the shoulders going over the top and therefore never getting the right forearm on plane. Where should the right shoulder be set when going through basic motion? Is it basically go to impact fix and that will dictate the position?
Finally as a swinger I should be pulling the club given there is no pivot does this pulling basically consist of loading #4 and releasing it. I.e. moving right arm across the chest then firing it off the side of the chest through the ball. I worked on all this a bit last night into the net and felt a few things that got the mind ticking over, but didn’t really get solid compression on any shots, wasn’t crisp, but that may just take time.
Thanks for any and all help.
Toolish,
I'm going to leave he meat of the answers to the pros, I will look forward to reading them as well. But if you don't mind, I'll add my rookie thoughts.
IMHO you need a little pivot, even with basic motion. Without a little pivot leading your arms and hands on the down stroke, it's very hard to keep your impact alignments.
Second, if you spend a little $$$ it will be the best instructional cash you have ever spent. Go into Yoda's Pro Shop and buy Alignment Golf. In fact, don't walk, run! It has, among other things, a good solid hour of basic motion instruction by Lynn Blake and VJ Trolio. You will understand basic motion 100% after watching this, and you will watch it over and over again.
While you are waiting for the meat allow me to add something. With regards to where you have your right shoulder at address. I have found it beneficial to go all the way to follow through to see where my right shoulder needs to be so that I do not run out of right arm. It also serves as a hinge action rehearsal. Yoda demonstrates this in Alignment Golf, specifically when talking about the push basic putting stroke. This has helped me. Impact is not considered a station, and all strokes need to be taken to both arms straight. I am more interested where my right shoulder needs to be at follow through. Make sense?
While you are waiting for the meat allow me to add something. With regards to where you have your right shoulder at address. I have found it beneficial to go all the way to follow through to see where my right shoulder needs to be so that I do not run out of right arm. It also serves as a hinge action rehearsal. Yoda demonstrates this in Alignment Golf, specifically when talking about the push basic putting stroke. This has helped me. Impact is not considered a station, and all strokes need to be taken to both arms straight. I am more interested where my right shoulder needs to be at follow through. Make sense?
I like that a lot!
Thanks Okie,
Kevin
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While you are waiting for the meat allow me to add something. With regards to where you have your right shoulder at address. I have found it beneficial to go all the way to follow through to see where my right shoulder needs to be so that I do not run out of right arm. It also serves as a hinge action rehearsal. Yoda demonstrates this in Alignment Golf, specifically when talking about the push basic putting stroke. This has helped me. Impact is not considered a station, and all strokes need to be taken to both arms straight. I am more interested where my right shoulder needs to be at follow through. Make sense?
Makes sense, and I like the idea of it. My only problem is when I try to get me right shoulder where I think it needs to be I feel very cramped, so not sure if I am doing something not quite right, or if it is just because I am not used to it. Mirror time I guess.
I get what you are saying. My tendency through the bag is not to have enough bend at the waist. This is a result of my right forearm being nowhere near on plane at address, and at times, impact . Now I set my wedges on a horizontal plane, flex my knees, and lower the power package by bending from the waist. Yoda has said it at least a squillion times set your head at fix (with accompaning on plane forearm + the exact degree of waist bend and knee flex) and LEAVE IT THERE! It is lower than most realize. OR...go ahead and bob! My point here is that insufficient bend at the waist will make an on plane right forearm a test of freakish flexibility. Get DOWN to the ball like you mean business! So, the contorted feeling you have may be the result of a high head at fix, which to my way of thinking is more a case of insufficient knee flex and waist bend, which may also mean that your right forearm has no useful relationship with the sweetspot! Remember with basic motion you usually start up from fix.
Tried the setting the wedges on a horizontal plane tonight....all I can say is WOW!
A few lightbulbs going off in my head at the moment. Only hit shots into the net, but I could instantly feel throwaway as it happened and I am sure I was maintaining more shaft lean into impact. Also great for setting posture better.
Also, the basic motion shots got some crispness back!
Okie....thanks mate, not saying it is perfect, but I am a bit excited at the results so far. Can't wait to get to the range to see the effect on ball flight!
Glad to help. A thought for when you are "pounding seeds" out there. The only way I know how to keep the same degree up waist bend from start up to top is by using the right forearm takeaway. I "feel" as though my elbow travels on a crescent path around my rib cage. This of course includes a fanning motion, no lawn mowers! Obviously we need to tilt the axis (# 2 if you count the waist bend as #1) at start down. I try then to maintain that degree of axis tilt (varies from club to club) all the way to finish e.g. steeper for short irons...flatter for say a driver. I used to try and maintain the angle of the spine from start up to finish, to no good effect. I think of it as waist bend gets me to top...axis tilt gets me to finish. The shoulders in my opinion should be slightly tilted in the follow through. I am stating a personal observation...I am not entirely sure if it squares up chapter and verse, but it has at least been a useful seems as if!
Now I set my wedges on a horizontal plane, flex my knees, and lower the power package by bending from the waist.
Great post. Thanks, Okie.
This will ensure that the clubshaft is perpendicular to the spine at address.
Three questions.
1) Is having the clubshaft perpendicular to the spine at address a good thing?
2) Where is the right forearm and right elbow while the wedge is on a horizontal plane?
3) Should we use this setup procedure from wedges to driver?
Zero out the #2 accumalator. The 'Two feet past the Ball' Basic Motion Curriculum is the Follow-Through of Stroke Section 11. So, make sure to reach this point. If I can't, it's because I have not 'pre-positioned' my Right Shoulder (down On Plane) to allow a Follow-Through of this length. If not, then do so.
Power source; Pivot or no Pivot?
Stage One of the Basic Motion Curriculum utilizes only one Power Accumulator (Single Barrel Stroke). And that Accumulator must be an Arm Accumulator: The Left Arm (#4 / Pull)
The Shoulders are a Dual Agent (2-H, 7-13), i.e., they are part of both the Power Package and the Pivot. So, Shoulder Motion (and Action) does not violate the requirements for Zero Pivot.
Remember, this is a tiny shot. Don't try to make this motion bigger than it is. Per 6-B-4-0 and 10-3-D, the Left Arm motion can be independent of the Pivot.
Although I am living in a small place in Hong Kong, I can do that on my carpet with a mirror to practise G.O.L.F.
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If you cannot take the shoulder down the clubshaft plane, you must take along some other path and add compensations - now, instead of one motion to remember, you wind up with at least two!
. Now I set my wedges on a horizontal plane, flex my knees, and lower the power package by bending from the waist. Yoda has said it at least a squillion times set your head at fix (with accompaning on plane forearm + the exact degree of waist bend and knee flex) and LEAVE IT THERE! It is lower than most realize. OR...go ahead and bob! My point here is that insufficient bend at the waist will make an on plane right forearm a test of freakish flexibility. Get DOWN to the ball like you mean business! So, the contorted feeling you have may be the result of a high head at fix, which to my way of thinking is more a case of insufficient knee flex and waist bend, which may also mean that your right forearm has no useful relationship with the sweetspot! Remember with basic motion you usually start up from fix.
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