And who are you? And how did Tommy teach before Homer's death? What makes you such an authority? Hitting should be avoided??? That's insane....Tommy had a three day school devoted to hitting (3 day swinging school, 3 day hitting school and a 3 day advanced school for shot making with the swinging and hitting procedures). He told me on the driving range at Deer Track (1993)...."if you want to get this game in your hip pocket, you have to learn both swinging and hitting". Thank god, I made recordings of my instruction.
Funny thing....Tommy taught out of the book when I studied with him in 1993.....in the 12 DVD set he's teaching out of the book, in fact, I bought another copy of the 7th edition to follow his instruction and make notes. I'm having a hard time following your comments above...
I'm surprised through all of the exchanges about Tomasello's instruction you didn't make the above comments much earlier?
DG
DG,
Tomasello was known as the "Billy Graham" of TGM. His enthusiasm and passion for TGM and his desire to learn and teach created an amicable bond between he and Mr. Kelley. Also, he was one of the "Keepers of the Light" during the dark years after Homer's death.
The comment regarding Hitting were his, not mine. He also added during the presentation, that as Hitters get older they will lose distance, develop back problems, their Hips will hurt and they will have all kinds of disc disorders, if they persist in Hitting. Everyone should be a Swinger like Sam Snead. I am sure these comments took Mr. Kelley by surprise, but we will never know.
Tomasello was know as the "Billy Graham" of TGM. His enthusiasm and passion for TGM and his desire to learn and teach created an amicable bond between he and Mr. Kelley. Also, he was one of the "Keepers of the Light" during the dark years after Homer's death.
The comment regarding Hitting were his, not mine. He also added during the presentation, that as Hitters get older they will lose distance, develop back problems, their Hips will hurt and they will have all kinds of disc disorders, if they persist in Hitting. Everyone should be a Swinger like Sam Snead. I am sure these comments took Mr. Kelley by surprise, but we will never know.
Drew,
With your last two posts you may be helping me to put the pieces together...you're totally making sense in this last post. Why would Tommy say the Hitter would develop back problems....per 2-M-4 where Homer says in the second to last sentence...."Or, as supplying the initial acceleration of the Hitter's loaded Power Package so the Clubhead can be endowed with Pivot Speed PLUS Right Triceps Speed."
My arguement now is......for swinging the downstroke should be started with the 10-20 triggers per 10-19-C (longitudinal acceleration....one smooth motion) as described Tom Tomasello on the 12 DVD set. Hitting should be started with the lower body per the sentence from the 2-M-4 while using 10-20-B.....I believe that's what Tommy is saying...you're going to have back problems in time (a lower body starting the downswing puts a lot of stress on the lower back). If you checkout the Ben Hogan vs Sam Snead Wonderful World of Golf Match....both golfers describe how they swing a golf club. Check out Sam I believe he's using 10-20-E as described by Tommy on the 12 DVD set. As Tommy says in the Australia video series....once the hands get above shoulder high, you must start down with the arms....you must connect before activating the hips. Starting to make real sense now....with Hitting the hands shouldn't get above shoulder height...
So it makes sense why Tommy would recommend swinging like Sam Snead instead of Hogan.
For Swinging....
........10-20-C by itself would utilize a passive right arm.
........10-20-D by itself would utilize a passive right arm.
........10-20-E by itself would utilize a passive right arm .
........10-20-B by itself would be the right arm swing per the letter series of videos
........10-20-D combined with 10-20-B muscles of both forearms would give the swinging stroke from the Australia (Chapter series of videos).
With hitting you could really start the club down with the right forearm or the lower body per 10-20-B and 2-M-4.
Add comments to this post: I just watched the Ben Hogan and Sam Snead instruction at the end of (Shell's Wonderful World of Golf)....Sam Snead definitely looks like the swing model for the swinging procedure from the 7th edition to a T(ee). As the credits roll by at the end of the program, the viewer is left with Hogan and Snead hitting one more iron shot....Hogan's stroke looks like the hitting stoke per 12-1-0 and Snead's stroke looks like the model for 12-2-0...this is definitely a video to have in your collection.
DG
Last edited by Delaware Golf : 11-29-2008 at 11:58 AM.
__________________ Hitting the Ball is the easiest part of the game-hitting it effectively is the most difficult. Why trust instinct when there is a science."1-G.
DG-- I would ask the same of you. We all know that you are a passionate advocate of TT's teachings, but I have often wondered if you were an amateur like me or a teaching pro. Would you care go elaborate on your own playing/teaching/student history?
Berklee College of Music (Boston Mass.) - Professional Music and Percussion
Two Engineering degrees (Del. Tech. College)
-Industrial Engineering
-Operations Management
Business Degree (Wharton School, University of Pennsylvania)
Currently working on my CFA designation (Chartered Financial Analyst)
DG
Last edited by Delaware Golf : 11-28-2008 at 11:37 AM.
Berklee College of Music (Boston Mass.) - Professional Music and Percussion
Two Engineering degrees (Del. Tech. College)
-Industrial Engineering
-Operations Management
Business Degree (Wharton School, University of Pennsylvania)
Currently working on my CFA designation (Chartered Financial Analyst)
DG
I was at Univ of North Texas Jazz Studies myself (guitar).
I was at Univ of North Texas Jazz Studies myself (guitar).
Excellent...
Is that the program drummer Greg Bissonette (David Lee Roth Band) attended/graduated from? I believe he performed with the 1 o'clock Maynard Ferguson Band!!! Then went on to play with Maynard...
DG
Last edited by Delaware Golf : 11-28-2008 at 05:41 PM.
Is that the program drummer Greg Bissonette (David Lee Roth Band) attended/graduated from? I believe he performed with the 1 o'clock Maynard Ferguson Band!!! Then went on to play with Maynard...
DG
Bissonette was there, along with literally hundreds of other accomplished professional musicians over the years. The band was the One O'Clock Lab Band, part of a 10 band lab band program. 20 piece band based upon the Stan Kenton Band (the Kenton Library with all of his original charts is housed there). Maynard had no association with the school, although, God knows, he recruited dozens of young musicians from the program, as did Woody Herman and other big bands.
Greg's brother, Matt, a bassist, also went to North Texas and toured with Maynard and David Lee Roth.
Both are very active studio musicians today.
Any other questions? I worked for the Jazz Studies Program there for 5 years.
B. J. Hathaway, G.S.E.B., M.C.I.
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