The Dividing Line...

[broberts5]

I was with Nick Mastrani when he interviewed Tom for the 1991 Golf Illustrated article. The two of us took lessons from Tom. My experience clearly was that Tom want me to pull down on the handle of the club at the same time as I was shifting weight from back to front foot. Tom said it really is all about rotary motion. I am sure he taught different people in different ways depending on what they needed.

[Jeff]

DG - you wrote-: "I studied with Tommy personally in 1993 and on audio tape I have Tommy saying he wasn't selling his personal view/spin/opinion of TGM."

I personally believe that everybody who personally studied with HK is teaching his personal interpretation of HK's ideas when he teaches TGM. HK's work is enormously complex and every student of TGM understands it slightly differently because of inherent limitations in their intellectual capacity to understand the complex physical/mechanical/biomechanical issues involved. Based on the 12-DVD series, I think that TT had a marked intellectual incapacity to truly understand HK's TGM system - compared to Yoda's intellectual understanding. What most impresses me about Yoda's TGM insights is their penetrating depth, their clarity of expression and their consistent consonance with respect to the TGM text. I suspect that Yoda's understanding of TGM is many orders of magnitude greater than TT's understanding. Based on the 12-DVD TGM-teaching series, I love TT's enthusiasm for teaching TGM, his gifted hands (amazing ability to perform all the TGM movements with amazing skill/finesse), but I don't think that he had the intellectual gifts required to fully understand all the intricacies of TGM (to the degree that Yoda can). If two people personally studied with HK with the same level of enthusiasm, intensity and dedication, it doesn't mean that they ended up with an equal level of understanding of TGM, and that their final beliefs re: TGM are equally valid.

Jeff.

[okie]

Dang! What is apparent is often better left unsaid! I agree, but comparison is a dirty business (that is why I told MENSA to go to hell )

[Andy R]

Lynn does set the bar high, that is true. But TT's contributions to TGM community are many, and his teachings continue to inform and inspire!

[Delaware Golf]

And then there are those of us who know that when you begin straightening the right elbow, you trigger the release. And when you straighten the right elbow to start the club down from the top, you trigger the release from the top. And when you trigger the release from the top . . .

Oh, never mind!

Oh never mind! I agree, you're still learning....

[Delaware Golf]

Surely, you could have chosen a different word than "attempted". You're suggesting that Lynn was unsuccessful. That's the fast track to losing all credibility.

I have no problem with your passion in worshiping Tommy. But, look at the points that Lynn has made and follow the logic. If it's possible, do it without the Tommy glasses.

Oh never mind....no contribution here...

[Delaware Golf]

I was with Nick Mastrani when he interviewed Tom for the 1991 Golf Illustrated article. The two of us took lessons from Tom. My experience clearly was that Tom want me to pull down on the handle of the club at the same time as I was shifting weight from back to front foot. Tom said it really is all about rotary motion. I am sure he taught different people in different ways depending on what they needed.

Yes, you're still learning too. All rotary motion...what???

[Delaware Golf]

DG - you wrote-: "I studied with Tommy personally in 1993 and on audio tape I have Tommy saying he wasn't selling his personal view/spin/opinion of TGM."

I personally believe that everybody who personally studied with HK is teaching his personal interpretation of HK's ideas when he teaches TGM. HK's work is enormously complex and every student of TGM understands it slightly differently because of inherent limitations in their intellectual capacity to understand the complex physical/mechanical/biomechanical issues involved. Based on the 12-DVD series, I think that TT had a marked intellectual incapacity to truly understand HK's TGM system - compared to Yoda's intellectual understanding. What most impresses me about Yoda's TGM insights is their penetrating depth, their clarity of expression and their consistent consonance with respect to the TGM text. I suspect that Yoda's understanding of TGM is many orders of magnitude greater than TT's understanding. Based on the 12-DVD TGM-teaching series, I love TT's enthusiasm for teaching TGM, his gifted hands (amazing ability to perform all the TGM movements with amazing skill/finesse), but I don't think that he had the intellectual gifts required to fully understand all the intricacies of TGM (to the degree that Yoda can). If two people personally studied with HK with the same level of enthusiasm, intensity and dedication, it doesn't mean that they ended up with an equal level of understanding of TGM, and that their final beliefs re: TGM are equally valid.

Jeff.

Please re-read your message you're contradicting yourself. It's a shame you write fairly well, but your missing the mark on this one. Big time..."marked intellectual incapacity"....you could get your butt whopped/whipped for that one. That's a pretty ignorant comment...about as ignorant as they come...

[Delaware Golf]

Dang! What is apparent is often better left unsaid! I agree, but comparison is a dirty business (that is why I told MENSA to go to hell )

Finally I can agree...

I originally wrote this thread to find some common ground....and I get blasted off the golf course....it's not for slow play.

[Delaware Golf]

Lynn does set the bar high, that is true. But TT's contributions to TGM community are many, and his teachings continue to inform and inspire!

Thanks Andy R...and there will be golfers who will win Tournaments!!!