"Snapping the Kinetic Chain" - a new myth for the golf swing.

[YodasLuke]

I stand corrected.

Keeping the right foot on the ground through impact does slow down the hips.

Could this be a key for golfers to "snapping the kinetic chain" for more distance?

Here is a slow motion video of the late great Sam Byrd, Jimmy Ballard’s teacher.

Notice Sam's pivot which is nothing like Jimmy teaches or as I call it the flat footed pivot through impact.

I can see in this video that there is defiantly a “Snapping the Kinetic Chain” going on here. I did some testing on it a little tonight and I did produce a little more club head speed working with this pivot. The swing did feel more in sequence as well.

Sam Byrd learned this action from Bill Mehlhorn. I have seen video of Bill hitting balls doing it as well. Both Sam and Bill were long ball hitters.

I can remember just before I started working with Jimmy Ballard in the early 90's I use to have this flat foot pivot that I learned from my dad. I could hit my wood driver 270-280 down the middle. Then I changed my pivot to Jimmy Ballard's fire the right side pivot lifting the right heel of the ground well before impact and I was only hitting it 250 -260 with a slight pull. I even had a new Taylor Made bubble driver as well.

I have never gone back to the flat foot pivot but I think I will now.

Could this flat foot pivot be a key for golfers to snapping the kinetic chain better and add distance? I will find out. I will do some more testing with golfers and my swing and see.

It is amazing how much you can see with this old time footage!

Kenny Perry's not too old, but he certainly keeps the foot down through Impact. I often use something in my teaching to demonstrate this very point.

I have no issue with the segments slowing and transferring momentum to the next segment. It's the intent that I question. Do they slow? Yes. Can the intent to "brake" increase speed? I highly doubt it.

[tbyeaton0627]

I understand the purpose, but I would question the precision.

When talking strictly about generating speed and "purposely braking", I think it's snake oil.

I feel its helpful to those without enough pivot lag.. and have a shoulder the leads too far into the swing which would cause the person to look like they are bent over in the finish, or staying in their forward tilt whatever you want to call it...its a way to fix this...not necessarily a percision move but taking someone from one end of the spectrum to the other imop

[purehitter]

Kenny Perry's not too old, but he certainly keeps the foot down through Impact. I often use something in my teaching to demonstrate this very point.

I have no issue with the segments slowing and transferring momentum to the next segment. It's the intent that I question. Do they slow? Yes. Can the intent to "brake" increase speed? I highly doubt it.

With the 3-D machines I can find out if a flat foot pivot or trying to brake the hips will add club head speed and if so can a golfer learn to do it. I am going to check it out. Here is a slow motion video of Tiger keeping the right foot down through impact.

[neil]

His foot is not flat at impact

[YodasLuke]

I understand the purpose, but I would question the precision.

When talking strictly about generating speed and "purposely braking", I think it's snake oil.

Yesterday, Yoda shared with me his conversation with Homer on this subject. I'll let him give the first hand account. But, I'm confident that Homer was of the same opinion.

Yoda leaves today for the Barclays, so I'm not sure when he'll get to a computer.

[pistol]

Yesterday, Yoda shared with me his conversation with Homer on this subject. I'll let him give the first hand account. But, I'm confident that Homer was of the same opinion.

Yoda leaves today for the Barclays, so I'm not sure when he'll get to a computer.

so if 3-d machines and testing is done accurately and the cesar is proven correct on kinetic chain snap would you still believe homer or would you believe cesar?

[YodasLuke]

so if 3-d machines and testing is done accurately and the cesar is proven correct on kinetic chain snap would you still believe homer or would you believe cesar?

"if 3-d machines and testing is done accurately" is your first leap of faith. Additionally, you're not including one of the most important aspects of the testing...reading the data!!!!! Even the great people at TPI admit that they can't tell you when muscles are firing or what muscles are firing. I've also heard all the hyperbole from the self-proclaimed geniuses that don't visit this site, but they still want you to take them seriously. Conclusions from the data are often reached without logical reasoning and without considering the (Newtonian) physics found in Chapter 2:

"Force and Motion Vectors must comply with Newton’s first three laws;
The Law of Inertia: Newton’s First Law. There is no change in the motion of a body unless a resultant force is acting upon it.
Force and Acceleration: Newton’s Second Law. Whenever a net (unbalanced) force acts on a body, it produces an acceleration in the direction of the force, an acceleration that is directly proportional to the force and inversely proportional to the mass of the body.
Reacting Forces: Newton’s Third Law. For every acting force there is a reacting force that is equal in magnitude but opposite in direction."

"would you still believe homer or would you believe cesar?" Here you are questioning my ability to reason. Firstly, I base my teaching on the laws of geometry and physics. Secondly, I use the book (TGM), Lynn, Homer's audio tapes, and other scientific studies as reference materials.

So, am I the more reasonable person for having the cornerstones of my teaching being laws of force and motion?

Or, would it be more reasonable for me to blindly follow a talking head with data in his hand?

I never believe anything because someone says that it's so. I've heard plenty of if-then statements that don't make sense, even though there was "supporting" data.

P.S. It's always wise to check the sights on your pistol before firing.

[nuke99]

I understand that say our body. the knees , hips and shoulder travel twice as much as the other . So at the top of the swing, the knees is 22.5*, hip 45* and shoulder 90* as a guideline.

My question is

Would these speed and angle component be accelerating at the same time, decelerating at the same time? Or they follow a certain sequence?

I have no 3D data or anything.. but I think they are the later.

2m3 and pivot lag , are I know very important.

2nd part of the question.

What if we intentionally aim to make the speed of the knees or hip go and go and no brakes throughout the swing.
Will there be problems caused by this?..

[pistol]

"if 3-d machines and testing is done accurately" is your first leap of faith. Additionally, you're not including one of the most important aspects of the testing...reading the data!!!!! Even the great people at TPI admit that they can't tell you when muscles are firing or what muscles are firing. I've also heard all the hyperbole from the self-proclaimed geniuses that don't visit this site, but they still want you to take them seriously. Conclusions from the data are often reached without logical reasoning and without considering the (Newtonian) physics found in Chapter 2:

"Force and Motion Vectors must comply with Newton’s first three laws;
The Law of Inertia: Newton’s First Law. There is no change in the motion of a body unless a resultant force is acting upon it.
Force and Acceleration: Newton’s Second Law. Whenever a net (unbalanced) force acts on a body, it produces an acceleration in the direction of the force, an acceleration that is directly proportional to the force and inversely proportional to the mass of the body.
Reacting Forces: Newton’s Third Law. For every acting force there is a reacting force that is equal in magnitude but opposite in direction."

"would you still believe homer or would you believe cesar?" Here you are questioning my ability to reason. Firstly, I base my teaching on the laws of geometry and physics. Secondly, I use the book (TGM), Lynn, Homer's audio tapes, and other scientific studies as reference materials.

So, am I the more reasonable person for having the cornerstones of my teaching being laws of force and motion?

Or, would it be more reasonable for me to blindly follow a talking head with data in his hand?

I never believe anything because someone says that it's so. I've heard plenty of if-then statements that don't make sense, even though there was "supporting" data.

P.S. It's always wise to check the sights on your pistol before firing.

Chill pills seem a prerequisite with tgm. Just asked a basic question since cesar is shouting from the rooftops that anyone who does not believe him is stuck in the dark ages.
Frankly i dont even care about the kinetic chain or tpi data or who is correct and the history of mankind shows how wrong most scientists are and the future will do the same

p.s i check my pistol daily and dont need any snake oil either

[bts]

Neither of the above "snaps the kinetic chain", with the top a rotational "Swinger" and the bottom rotational "Hitter". How can someone snap the "Accumulators" with a flat trail foot?