Hi all, have been watching the videos in the gallery...
My favourite is Yoda's "Are you ready to roll?", after watching it numerous times a light bulb went on in my thick skull!!
Took off to practice range to give my hands some education (punishment! lol)
I had been in a major funk and had lost some power this past week... was maxing out at high 120's, low 130's and hitting some big blocks!
The lesson clicked and I went to a 138mph average (141mph max out), lowered my launch angle with a very hot right to left ball flight.
Now I don't know if the next statement makes sense but at impact I could feel the ball load against the shaft and the shaft actually pushed back!! (Not very TGM in my explanations so I apologise, hopefully you guys can translate it for me?)
TGM just keeps delivering and Yoda the way you explain things is brilliant. I feel like I have proceeded to a whole new level today and for that I sincerely thank all at LBG for providing the tools.
Will hopefully get that swing video for you guys this week and you can tear it to bits
AB
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Now I don't know if the next statement makes sense but at impact I could feel the ball load against the shaft and the shaft actually pushed back!! (Not very TGM in my explanations so I apologise, hopefully you guys can translate it for me?)
AB
I know that feeling!!!! When I visualized it, I saw the shaft being bent back by the ball at impact, as if the ball were nailed to the ground and wasn't moving. I haven't had it for a while, but I remember how powerful it felt. I knew I caught it when I got that feeling. Your post are really taking me back. I can't wait to get to the range!
Hi all, have been watching the videos in the gallery...
My favourite is Yoda's "Are you ready to roll?", after watching it numerous times a light bulb went on in my thick skull!!
Took off to practice range to give my hands some education (punishment! lol)
I had been in a major funk and had lost some power this past week... was maxing out at high 120's, low 130's and hitting some big blocks!
The lesson clicked and I went to a 138mph average (141mph max out), lowered my launch angle with a very hot right to left ball flight.
Now I don't know if the next statement makes sense but at impact I could feel the ball load against the shaft and the shaft actually pushed back!! (Not very TGM in my explanations so I apologise, hopefully you guys can translate it for me?)
TGM just keeps delivering and Yoda the way you explain things is brilliant. I feel like I have proceeded to a whole new level today and for that I sincerely thank all at LBG for providing the tools.
Will hopefully get that swing video for you guys this week and you can tear it to bits
AB
Fascinating to read your stuff - TGM with its emphasis on alignments rather than physics (not that it ignores the physics...just gives primacy to alignments)...some might see it as a model of golf that emphasises accuracy not power.
You obviously have the horsepower...now with alignments...should be interesting to hear how things develop!
I agree about "ready to roll"...that one statement automatically combines a straight plane line with a sequenced release...and if you uncock and roll on plane ... then you get a flat left wrist andlag pressure for free!!
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Fascinating to read your stuff - TGM with its emphasis on alignments rather than physics (not that it ignores the physics...just gives primacy to alignments)...some might see it as a model of golf that emphasises accuracy not power.
You obviously have the horsepower...now with alignments...should be interesting to hear how things develop!
I agree about "ready to roll"...that one statement automatically combines a straight plane line with a sequenced release...and if you uncock and roll on plane ... then you get a flat left wrist andlag pressure for free!!
Buy 1 imperative and get 2 free!! only at ol' HK's discount sale!
Would it be true to say TGM provides the basis for correct delivery of and efficiency of power?
(I have been amazed by Yoda's release power in the videos.. WHACK!)
I know I am finding it's one thing to have power but it's pointless if it is being delivered inefficiently and there are power leakages?
TGM I believe is allowing me to deliver that horsepower more efficiently and effectively into the golf ball (where I want it). More power, less effort! I know before my swing left me drained, now it is making me feel energized.
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Originally Posted by Aussie_Bomber
Would it be true to say TGM provides the basis for correct delivery of and efficiency of power?
Absolutely, Aussie.
In fact, while much has been written on this subject through the centuries -- I especially admire the individual pieces in Bobby Jones On Golf (Doubleday and Company, 1966) -- nothing can compare with the precision of The Golfing Machine. The presentation includes:
1. The supporting scientific Principles (Chapter 2);
2. The original Power Package concept and its Five-Step Sequence from Accumulation to Release (Chapter 6); and
3. The Checklist of mission-critical alignments (Chapter 12).
Throughout the journey of enlightenment, the student experiences one 'Aha!' moment after another.
I'll be here a lot in this thread, so please be patient.
My improvement has been achieved via the following methods:
a) Strength and Conditioning: I have embarked on getting stronger and more flexible in what I believe to be the key muscles groups for golf power: Posterior Chain (Hips, Hamstrings, lower back), Core, Upper back/lats, triceps and forearms/wrists. My training focusses on speed of movement against resistance rather than maximal weight lifting.
b) Teaching my neuromuscular patterns to swing faster: This basically involves doing dry swings as fast as possible. Making the club "whoosh" as loud as possible through the impact area.
I've had reasonable success with the long drive guys. I've had a couple of guys in the 145-150 mph range. So, I saved some important things from your quote that I like. You're doing some good things, but I'll add a little...
I was on a full scholarship for running, when I was in college. And, we knew not to train for a marathon if we were training for a mile. Long driving is a specialty, and it requires specialty training. Hours and hours of grinding out drives on the range can lead you down a slower path.
Fast twitch muscles need to be trained. You need to train at speeds that are faster than you're able to attain with your normal club. But, you also need the strength. I would say that the ideal would be to train with a club that was 15% lighter than normal and one that was 15% heavier. When you train on both sides of the weight that you use in competition, your competition speed will increase.
I would never have you max out your speed more than 8 times, without having about a 5 minute break. Hitting 100 balls without a break will not make you faster. The fast twitch muscle fibers will exhaust themselves and the slow twitch fibers will complete the task.
If you run, you should do short sprints with rest between them. If you train in a gym, you should spend time doing quick bursts with medicine balls, lighter weights, or resistance bands. When you're hitting balls, make it quality versus quantity.
If you train with the speed of a hummingbird, you'll swing with that kind of speed.
There's plenty of good info on the web. Here's just one link:
No drama, understand you must be an extremely busy man.
I will get out my little yellow bible and definitely read those chapters you have directed me to!
(Am going to get out my little yellow highlighter too)
Thanks for the direction.
PS: Go the Aussies!! hahaha.. Although have spent time with Lee so would be nice to see him break through!! And of course we all love to see Tiger get it going!!
Yoda's Luke:
Couldn't agree with you more! Im sorry if my initial post was misleading...
My practice sessions are mainly composed of hitting pitches, chips and punches - concentrating on my educated hands development and impact training. I break up my training in 2-3 x hundred ball sessions. In each session Driver will only see 10-15 shots. You are exactly right must train the way you compete (and that is more like a sprinter) but with multiple rounds you must have some speed endurance also.
Besides golf (and national rep baseball) I have a power lifting background and am a qualified strength and conditioning coach in Australia. Burst training and speed of motion is critical. We swing an implement that weighs 400grams and a relative weight of an equivalency of 11 pounds maximum. Maximal strength training does not translate into speed motion. So I couldn't agree more!
Interestingly some of the elite power lifters (all over 300lbs) I have trained with are very fast sprinters... over 30 yards!
IMHO Neuromuscular development is maybe the most crucial factor in speed development.
Thanks for your post, I will definitely implement your suggestions. It is nice to have some confirmation that on the whole I am on the right track in regards to correct development.
AB
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I just sent this now 'not-so-private' PM to Aussie Bomber:
Originally Posted by Yoda
I've not forgotten this thread, Aussie.
But, my time (and web access) has been extremely limited the past two weeks. I'm just back from the PGA National Championship and other commitments that have precluded engaging in a 'power' discussion (no pun intended). In fact, my posts of late have been painfully produced 'texting' from my handheld Blackberry!
I had hoped your thread would take off with my introductory post, but apparently everybody is laying in wait. Meanwhile, it's off tomorrow before dawn and the Buick Open in Grand Blanc, Michigan.
Just know that I'll be there when I can.
Thanks.
C' mon, guys: Weigh in with your thoughts. There is the Mechanics of Power (Chapter 6); Body Power (Rotor Power/Swingers or Launching Pad/Hitters per 2-M-4); and also, strength (the sparsely populated 2-M-3 / Muscles).
Obviously, Aussie is doing the right things right. Otherwise, he could not achieve his prodigious distances. What can he do to ascend to his next level . . . a level none of us and, in fact, few in golf's history, have ever achieved? Don't be shy. Remember: Homer Kelley, golf's ultimate mechanic, never claimed a club championship, much less a long drive championship.
I will assist everyone by providing a link to the swing video I took this week. Unfortunately I could only get a front on view as the weather here has been woeful and the down the line image did not work as the day I was filming was stormy!!
I will rectify this in the coming weeks!
I am personally unhappy with the "look" of the swing on video. Yes it is effective in producing speed and distance, but I feel I am nowhere near functioning at full capacity and would value everyone's insight into imporving this.
AB - thanks for posting your swing. What is it that you don't like about your swing?
My comments - taken as they should be - with a healthy dose of scepticism!
You are a swinger, really big rotor, so foreget about right triceps power. Ignore 4 barrel swinging until a few more TGM concepts are ingrained in your swing.
You have a few features that are different to Tiger but are arguably "intersting/helpful" for distance swingers. eg. head movement, bent left arm.
Head moves alot in the backswing but re-centres with your weight transfer in transition... some say TGM centred head is great for accuracy but less good for distance...almost all long hitters have a near-stationary head through release and impact...that bit is crucial...so it begs the question....is there a dynamic power reason to sacrifice stationary head in the rest of the swing ?...to get extra distance....i don't know the answer...
Bent left arm is something Jorgensen tinkered with in his book and suggested it can lead to extra distance...like Vardon...
I imagine that "people" may talk about weight shift...ball position ...driver loft...low point....extensor action...what are your thoughts on these topics? I would be slightly worried that incorporating all of these may inhibit your dynamic motion and give short term negative results...so you need really good advice...incorporating all of TGM into your motion is move away from the LD herd and what they do, trying something radically different...
Do you use low loft driver because you hit on the upswing....do you hit on the upswing because you use low loft driver? Do you fall back at mpact and follow through because you aim to hit so much on the upswing?
CHicken or egg...low loft MAKES you swing up...makes you fall back....
or
You have always swayed back at impact... so the only way you can get the ball on good trajectory is to use low loft..
If you moved to a 9 degree driver...how would you have to swing in order to get the same result as you get now - i suspect almost have to swing level at impact and not upwards...more TGM style swing rather than LD.
What is the best distance launch angle for a guy with your speed? that is probably the place to start...then work backwards from there...say it is 11-12 degrees at 130+mph... how can you get that launch angle... is it to swing on upswing with 6 degree driver...or swing at low point (level) with more loft....?? I don't know the answer but that is the way to solve the problem IMO... launching on upswing...does that keep your ball spin down? that is the other key factor? If guys know this stuff then that is cornestone to build your machine around.
Would you sacrifice clubhead speed at impact by swinging level rather than on the upswing? have you measured your clubhead speed at low point left shoulder...versus your clubhead speed at you current ball teed up height?
Homer said that if you hit on the upswing in a centred/uncompensated stroke then you are also hitting with a clubface that is closed beyond square and closing still further...so you need compensations... is your clubhead open at address or do you hold off on forearm rotation (accumultor 3)....??
see what the others have to say... but if you want to build a LDGM (Long Drive Golfing Machine) then you are going to have to select the right components....strip away the faulty ones and bolt on the right ones...but keep that massive rotor...that is literally your core! There are only 24 components...shouldn't take more than a week or two!!
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