Homer provides a warning about RAS and I'm going to pass it on. In 7-19 when discussing RAS Homer warns the Hitter. "But with the Axe Handle procedures there must be a straight line piston to avoid injury of the right elbow ligaments. So, if there is a twinge in the elbow, you are Swinging the Right Arm."
In laymans terms this is called Golfers Elbow (medial epicondylitis) and it is similar to Tennis Elbow but located on the inside of the forearm rather than the outside. Its not as common as Tennis Elbow but common enough that there are Doctors offices busy treating this condition.
I'll leave you with a link but do a google search and you'll come up with plenty of information.
Here's my best educated guess since I've never experienced it.
Based on what I've read, the Golfers Elbow condition is due to aggravated over-use of a forearm/wrist motion; either right wrist bending forward and/or forearm rotation similar to a Tennis Topspin swing motion.
Both of these motions can happen in a RAS swing if the right forearm and elbow (swing center arc) are forcefully rolling through impact, then the clubshaft is snapped inline with the right forearm during follow through. I think this would have to be an intentional motion on the golfers part to try and manipulate the clubface with the right hand.
If the RASer allows Centrifugal Force and the left wrist to manage clubface alignments, perhaps this is easier on the ligaments. The clubshaft will still align itself with the right forearm during follow through because the right elbow is the swing arc center.
Again, this is my best guess. Maybe others who have experienced this condition can chime in.
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Here's my best educated guess since I've never experienced it.
Based on what I've read, the Golfers Elbow condition is due to aggravated over-use of a forearm/wrist motion; either right wrist bending forward and/or forearm rotation similar to a Tennis topspin swing motion.
Both of these motions can happen in a RAS swing if the right forearm and elbow (swing center arc) are forcefully rolling through impact, then the clubshaft is snapped inline with the right forearm during follow through. I think this would have to be an intentional motion on the golfers part to try and manipulate the clubface with the right hand.
If the RASer allows Centrifugal Force and the left wrist to manage clubface alignments, perhaps this is easier on the ligaments. The clubshaft will still align itself with the right forearm during follow through because the right elbow is the swing arc center.
Again, this is my best guess. Maybe others experienced in this condition can chime in.
I have been swinging with the right forearm in one form or another for a LONG TIME and NO INJURIES.....NOT ONE!!! Been swinging with the right forearm exactly as Tommy teaches (hitting and swinging) per the Australia and Myrtle Beach videos for the last 5 years.....NO INJURY....NA DA!!!
ONE OF THE BIGGEST BENEFITS OF THIS APPROACH....NO BACK ISSUES AT ALL. When I use to swing with the lower body.....man o man.....there were times when I could hardly get out of BED the next morning. Especially after an extended time from the game....
DG
Last edited by Delaware Golf : 05-23-2008 at 01:03 PM.
I've talked about Arm Motion and a little bit about the hands.
How about the RASers Pivot?
How does it differ from the Left Arm Swing? Or does it?
Would it differ? I wouldn't think so, at least not much, since both are dependent upon utilizing CF. I dunno.
Also, we could discuss whether right arm swinging is actually different mechanically from left arm swinging, or if it's only different perceptually (from the perspective of the player). Keep it going, Bags.
Chip Shots: Hogan Said, The club is taken back with the hands only.
Right Elbow rest on right hip, insuring the arms, hands and club a
pivotal point. If you set this pivotal point up correctly you reduce
the margin or error on this shot.
Wonder if Hogan did this later on in his golf. Sounds like a right
arm siwing to me. I know in his waggle that he talks about the
right elbow going to the watch pocket. Maybe this is a throw back
to his chipping technique. I do not think that Hogan is a right arm
swinger but food for thought?
I've talked about Arm Motion and a little bit about the hands.
How about the RASers Pivot?
How does it differ from the Left Arm Swing? Or does it?
For pivot material and swinging with the right arm....checkout Mark Evershed's book "The Golf Solution" excellent book. Mark is a former student of Tom Tomasello. Check out the number 2 Letter series vid of Tomasello.
During a month lay off from the game....I read Mark's book...this was about a year after I decided to learn the swing mechanics that Tom Tomasello teaches on the Australia chapter series video (late 2003 or early 2004 is when I began the process). After reading Mark's book every thing clicked on how to swing with the right arm. The first tournament I entered I won after reading his book.
For pivot material and swinging with the right arm....checkout Mark Evershed's book "The Golf Solution" excellent book. Mark is a former student of Tom Tomasello. Check out the number 2 Letter series vid of Tomasello.
During a month lay off from the game....I read Mark's book...this was about a year after I decided to learn the swing mechanics that Tom Tomasello teaches on the Australia chapter series video (late 2003 or early 2004 is when I began the process). After reading Mark's book every thing clicked on how to swing with the right arm. The first tournament I entered I won after reading his book.
i have read the book. i have taken lessns from mark. i have been to his school. i have seen all the t.t. vids. i have the lesson dvd that you sent me , and i appreciate the kindness. now, i would like to hear what bagger has to say about the right arm swing.
Here's my best educated guess since I've never experienced it.
Based on what I've read, the Golfers Elbow condition is due to aggravated over-use of a forearm/wrist motion; either right wrist bending forward and/or forearm rotation similar to a Tennis Topspin swing motion.
Both of these motions can happen in a RAS swing if the right forearm and elbow (swing center arc) are forcefully rolling through impact, then the clubshaft is snapped inline with the right forearm during follow through. I think this would have to be an intentional motion on the golfers part to try and manipulate the clubface with the right hand.
If the RASer allows Centrifugal Force and the left wrist to manage clubface alignments, perhaps this is easier on the ligaments. The clubshaft will still align itself with the right forearm during follow through because the right elbow is the swing arc center.
Again, this is my best guess. Maybe others who have experienced this condition can chime in.
I had some elbow problems early this spring and a bit last week. Although this is my first post here, I've been following this thread closely, as I believe I tend to waiver between right arm swinging and left arm swinging.
Spring elbow problems: The main culprit for me was raquetball (overuse after coming out of new baby hibernation), BUT for a couple weeks golf made the problem worse. For me, it was pretty much what you described above: overactive right hand/forearm, unbending right wrist, not relying on CF, etc.. I also believe the motion to only be part of it; all those swing problems tended to end up with a not-so-perfect, harsher impact, too much down w/ a deep divot, etc... the vibrations and impact really made the tendinitis worse for me. Once I took it easy for a week or two and did some more basic/aquired motion, things were for the most part back to normal.
I had a little bit of a problem last week when softball season started and we had games and batting practice on back-to-back nights. It was the same deal - missing the sweet spot of the bat = extra harsh impact and vibrations.
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