Executing the Sequenced Release

[Daryl]

Bucket Said: The Flat Left Wrist is rooted in the Law of the Flail. It is the relationship of the Clubshaft and the Left Arm that Homer was describing . . .the Left Wrist can thus be anatomically Flat and Geometrically Flat . . .OR it can be Anatomically Flat and Geometrically Flat . . . but in order to satisfy the conditions of the Flail it is ALWAYS ALWAYS Geometrically Flat.

Daryl Says: The Flat Left Wrist is Rooted in the "Lever". The Flail was his explanation not his inspiration. The Arm and Club are only Flail like. The Lever, specifically the Arm and Clubshaft, is Geometrically Flat if the Clubhead and Left Hand have the same RPM.

[Daryl]

Daryl,

Not singling you out - love your posts.

But - the guy above (Trevino) appears to me to be simultaneous release. Look at pic 8 - face is looking downplane (as a side not - which would necessitate angled hinging, or hook it off the planet), left wrist appears to be uncocking, right elbow opposes the shaft. Hitter all the way to me.

Can you elaborate on what you mean by 'Too bad he doesn't swivel but uses his Pivot to Roll the Lever.'?

Guy on bottom, to me, is a swinger. His elbow is deep pitch, and in the 5th shot, is leading the hands - to me a sign of 'pulling'.

Anyways, want to hear your elaboration of pivot roll versus swivel.

Thanks,
Patrick

I see what you see. Lee is Angle Hinging, I agree. But look at the Reverse Roll of his Right Hand before Impact. Classic Swinger. But his grip Rolls the Clubface so he doesn't need to Swivel. It's difficult to critique his swing and draw many conclusions. Swinger like, Hitter like. I don't know.

[EdZ]

Bucket Said: The Flat Left Wrist is rooted in the Law of the Flail. It is the relationship of the Clubshaft and the Left Arm that Homer was describing . . .the Left Wrist can thus be anatomically Flat and Geometrically Flat . . .OR it can be Anatomically Flat and Geometrically Flat . . . but in order to satisfy the conditions of the Flail it is ALWAYS ALWAYS Geometrically Flat.

Daryl Says: The Flat Left Wrist is Rooted in the "Lever". The Flail was his explanation not his inspiration. The Arm and Club are only Flail like. The Lever, specifically the Arm and Clubshaft, is Geometrically Flat if the Clubhead and Left Hand have the same RPM.

......and lag pressure is maintained until at least separation.

[12 piece bucket]

I see what you see. Lee is Angle Hinging, I agree. But look at the Reverse Roll of his Right Hand before Impact. Classic Swinger. But his grip Rolls the Clubface so he doesn't need to Swivel. It's difficult to critique his swing and draw many conclusions. Swinger like, Hitter like. I don't know.

There are sooooooooo many lessons to learn about how it works from studying the idosyncrasies of Lee's swing . . .

There are soooo many conclusions you can draw and apply to what people do and should not do etc. etc.

You are looking at a golf swing that is based on extremes that works very well as far as hitting the ball solid every time and straight and low and with left to right spin and eliminate the left side of the golf course.

So the conclusions you should be able to draw . . .and let's see what you can come up with is . . .

1. What causes the ball to go low?
2. How did he eliminate the left side?
3. How did he hit HIS fade?
4. How did he manage to hit the ball solid almost everytime?

Uses your eyes and what you know . . . you can learn from this golf swing.

[mrodock]

1. What causes the ball to go low?
2. How did he eliminate the left side?
3. How did he hit HIS fade?
4. How did he manage to hit the ball solid almost everytime?

Uses your eyes and what you know . . . you can learn from this golf swing.

1. Plays the ball a little back, hands are well ahead at impact, club stays low well after impact.

2. Replanes the club well after impact, that is, down-the-line the club exits below the left shoulder. Also, angle hinges. Finally, he rotates his body hard aiding him in rotating the clubface very little in the downswing. Combine very little clubface rotation with a good amount of trigger delay it is hard to hit a hook.

3. See #2

4. His clubshaft came into impact in almost the same position (down-the-line) as it inhabited at address. Other players that did this extremely well, Nelson, Hogan, Snead, Price, all extremely solid ballstrikers. While it it not necessary to bring the shaft through at the same angle (or very close) as it was at address, it is pretty hard to do this and NOT hit the ball solid.

Matt

[Quintin van der Berg]

10-2-B Yes, and I agree with the statement that HK mostly referred to 10-2-B.

10-18-A and 10-18-B employ 10-2-B.

10-18-B “… It is restricted to true centrifugal force swings because its reverse rotation during Release-return to the Flat and Vertical Left Wrist-inhibits Clubhead Throwaway.” I think that the word “restricted” should be replaced with “mandatory”. It’s only my opinion.

Then, 7-3 would be completely comprehensible, “For Swinging the Right Forearm should be precisely in-line with-and directly opposed to-the motion of the On Plane Loading Action of the Secondary Lever Assembly (the Clubshaft) and this alignment maintained through impact.” Homer Kelly was a genius and no sentence in the book sums the differences between Hitting and Swinging as eloquently as this.

For the Swinger, this can only occur with 10-18-B. If Swingers continue to use 10-18-A then the concept of Loading the Secondary Lever and how it is completely and dramatically different (in feel and appearance) than Loading the Primary Lever cannot ever be known. You cannot load the Secondary Lever with 10-18-A. That’s what the statement in 7-3 is about and the reason “THE MAGIC OF THE RIGHT FOREARM” is included in 7-3.

Learn this, then Sequenced and Simultaneous Releases are not only understood, but can be executed at will, and perfectly On Plane. Every time.

Daryl

Is this quoted from the 6th edition. Can you please leaborate on the second last paragraph please.

Thanks.
Quintin.

[Daryl]

Daryl

Is this quoted from the 6th edition. Can you please leaborate on the second last paragraph please.

Thanks.
Quintin.

I should have said that 10-18-B more securely Loads the #3 Pressure Point.

Homer believes that the Left Wrist should become Flat after Startup and continue its Flatness till at least Both Arms Straight for both Hitters and Swingers. That’s my interpretation. It would be less confusing if he said that the Left Arm Wedge, the Left Arm and Clubshaft must not get out-of-Line. But he didn’t say that. He truly wants the Wedges established as soon as possible and maintained throughout the Swing.
Elbow Locations:
The Elbow Locations differ because the differences in Left Wrist Action Startup create different Elbow Locations.
Loading the Primary Lever:
The Hitter Loads the Primary Lever when he goes to Top. That means that the direction of Pressure on the #3 PP is against the fleshy part of the right forefinger and the Aft side of the Shaft. If a Hitter is at the Top Position and does nothing else but applies Pressure against the Shaft with this Fleshy Part of the Right Forefinger, then the Primary Lever will be forced off Plane only OUT in front of him. So the Hitter should not use Right Arm Thrust until the Right Elbow returns to Plane so that the Thrust is Down, Forward and Out. It’s important for the Hitter to Load the Primary Lever and maintain Extensor Action because CF is not going to be available to stiffen it. If the Hitter uses Left Wrist Action 10-18-C and Fans the Right Forearm at Startup, then the Right Elbow will go a little backwards at Startup and will be at his side during Release and his Right Elbow will be located for an On Plane Push/Thrust of the Primary Lever through Impact and the Left and Right Arm Flying Wedges relationship Geometry will be created.
Loading the Secondary Lever:
The Swinger should Load the Secondary Lever, the Clubshaft, and Homers solution is to take the Swing to the End Position. That position will create #3 PP pressure against the Top Side of the Shaft and against the Top side of the first Knuckle of the Right Forefinger if you follow his recommendation. Using Standard Left Wrist Action 10-18-A, when Fanning the Right Forearm at Startup leaves the Elbow stationary (in front of you) until Extensor Action raises the Arms and Club. This Action keeps the Right Elbow pointing more downward. This is where it really gets interesting. 10-2-B will have a Visual Bend in the Left Wrist IF we prevent the Right Wrist Bend from exceeding its Impact Degree of Bend. Then, the Geometry of the Right Arm Flying Wedge will be at Right Angles to Clubshaft with a Lower Right Elbow and the Left Arm and Clubshaft will keep its in-Line relationship.
Focus:
Hitters Focus more attention on the Left Arm Flying Wedge and should maintain the Wedge throughout the Swing. Swingers Focus more attention on the Right Arm Flying Wedge and maintain it throughout the Swing and will regain the Visually Flat Left Wrist at Impact because of Swivel. HK wants both Hitters and Swingers to focus on Both Wedges. The Million Dollar question is “Can you have a Left Arm Wedge if your Left Wrist is Visually Bent?”. I can’t answer that.
Comparison: End and Top
TOP Position for a Hitter is an alignment that doesn’t allow the Pressure to change from the aft Side of the Shaft against the Fleshy Part of the Right Forefinger which becomes simplified by using Left Wrist Action 10-18-C. The Hitter needs the Visually Flat Left Wrist because he needs to Create and maintain undisturbed Left Arm Wedge impact geometries so it is better for Him to Start his backswing at Impact Fix Hand location and maintain the Geometry throughout the Swing. Except for the Hitter, we should get it out of our heads that the Visually Flat Left Wrist at Impact means a Visually Flat Left Wrist during the Backswing.
End is a Geometrical Alignment of a Loading Action. End can be anywhere along the Backstroke Path. Using a 10-18-B and Fanning Startup will place the Pressure against the Top Side of the Shaft and Top of the Right forefinger knuckle for any Length Backstroke. If you apply extra #3 PP pressure in this geometry ( the Pressure being against the Top of the Shaft and Top of the Knuckle) then stopping the backswing at any location will show that the Secondary Lever, Clubshaft, will move On Plane, not only in the Out-direction like with the Hitter. This is important for the swinger because Pivot Thrust must not misalign the Clubshaft for the eventual Takeover of CF.
Solutions:
For a Swinger, in Order to maintain the Impact Degree of Bend of the Right Wrist and maintain a visually Flat Left Wrist throughout the Swing, then use Grip 10-2-E, VTU, with 10-18-C. Now you have a Visually Flat Left Wrist, it maintains the Correct Degree of Right Wrist Bend, the Flying Wedges have geometrical relationship, it allows the Right Elbow to return to a Pitch Elbow Release Position and all with a Straight Line Delivery Path.
My Component Selection Solution, 10-2-B, or better 10-2-C, with 10-18-B, Doesn’t disturb the Right Forearm Wedge and prevents the Right Wrist from exceeding its Impact Degree of Bend with a Pitch Elbow Position. Using a Pitch Elbow allows Less Right Wrist Bend at Impact than Push Elbow. Also, 10-18-B has less Slippage with the #3 PP and the #3 PP Pressure will return to the Aft Side of the Shaft at Impact during the Roll portion of a Sequenced Release.

[300Drive]

I know its old now (going back to March), but, Damn, that was a good read. Thanks guys!

[Jeff]

Daryl - wrote-: "If, at the start of Release, the Left Wrist , Forearm and Clubshaft are in-line (Primary Lever), the Left Wrist Flat and the Right Wrist Bent, then you can only Angle Hinge (10-3-C, 10-3-D and most people who use 10-3-A). You need to Un-Cock and Roll simultaneously or you will bend the Plane Line. You have no Choice. Get a bench and see for yourself or better, address an imaginary ball facing a wall with your Clubhead touching the wall. Position yourself at Release with a Flat Left Wrist, then Uncock, then Roll. You’ll see exactly what I’m talking about.

Start your downswing and stop at Release. Is the Clubshaft parallel to the ground and parallel to the Plane Line. If your Left Wrist is Flat (not bent) then your Right Wrist is Bent (Strong Single Action Grip) and if your Clubshaft is On Plane, and your Hands are approximately in front of your right leg, then you are Angle Hinging. For a Hitter, that’s good because the Primary Lever is rolling (Pivot) while the Left Wrist is Uncocking. Look at your Clubhead at this point. It is slightly Toe Down. If you’re a Swinger, and everything looks the same as above, then you must use Angled Hinging too.

The swinger who uses Angled Hinging must not try a Sequenced Release because you will bend the Plane Line. Swingers can compensate the Simultaneous Release by using a Very Strong Left Hand Grip (10-2-D) and still benefit from CF, with the Left Thumb and #3 Pressure Point directly behind the Shaft at impact (Like many Pro’s). If you don’t, then you’re Switting. Keep in mind that the Right Wrist remains Level throughout for both Hitting and Swinging, or Simultaneous or Sequenced release.

Flat Left Wrist/Bent Right Wrist at Release is not compatible with Sequenced Releases. Bent Left Wrist at Release is not compatible with Simultaneous Releases."

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I have higlighted certain of Daryl's statements in bold.

I don't understand all these claims - i) that there is necessary causal connection between a swinger's grip and/or left hand position at the delivery position and an ability to perform horizontal versus angled hinging post-impact; ii) that a swinger who uses angled hinging post-impact must not use a sequenced release and iii) that a swinger's left hand appearance in the downswing means that he is using angle hinging during the downswing (whatever that means).

Here is a photo of Tiger Woods and Adam Scott at address and at release (delivery position).



Tiger has a neutral left hand grip while Adam has a strong left hand grip.

At delivery, they both have the left hand flat but with slight variations in the degree of toeup position, due to grip variations.

Both of them can employ horizontal hinging naturally in the followthrough.

I know of necessary causal connection between i) a golfer's left hand grip and ii) the degree of left wrist flatness at the delivery position and I know of necessary causal connection between either i) or ii) and a golfer's ability to iii) perform a sequential release swivel action and square the clubface by impact and/or iv) a golfer's ability to perform horizontal hinging in the followthrough.

Jeff.

[Jeff]

In post 37/38 12PB and Daryl are arguing about Sergio's right wrist position in this photo.



Daryl states that it is upcocked and 12PB states that it is level.

I have a problem with the idea of stating that the right wrist is either upcocked or level when the right wrist is maximally dorsiflexed. When the right wrist is maximally dorsiflexed, then it cannot cock freely in any direction - therefore it may be meaningless to describe its degree of cocked-upness. I think that a wrist can only cock freely when it is in a neutral or palmar flexed positon, but not when it is maximally dorsiflexed.

Daryl wrote in post #43

"The Clubshaft is On Plane. I agree. But it's too far Up Plane because his Right Wrist is Cocked. His impact needs some really critical timing. He has the talent and dedication and is able to make it work. However, if he Leveled his Right Wrist, he could Horizonal hinge."

I understand the situation very differently. I think that the the clubshaft appears too far up-plane because his right wrist is maximally dorsiflexed. When the right wrist is maximally dorsiflexed, the right wrist will appear upcocked because there are no choices in the degree of wrist upcockedness when the wrist is maximally dorsiflexed. However, that doesn't mean that SG cannot horizontally hinge post-impact because his right wrist will not be maximally dorsiflexed at impact and there will no restraints (imposed by the right wrist) on his ability to turn his flat left wrist horizontally (like a door opening) during the followthrough phase of the swing.

Jeff.