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Angel Cabrera : TGM Analysis

U.S. Open - 2007

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Old 06-20-2007, 09:59 PM
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besides bucket's find:

Fifth one off the tee.




there is:

around 1:50 mark




and, a Par 3 iron shot







Bent Right Flat left.
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Old 06-20-2007, 10:18 PM
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Originally Posted by 6bmike View Post
besides bucket's find:

Fifth one off the tee.




there is:

around 1:50 mark




and, a Par 3 iron shot







Bent Right Flat left.
Nice pic...check the divot!!
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Old 06-20-2007, 10:29 PM
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Originally Posted by 6bmike View Post
besides bucket's find:







Bent Right Flat left.
That pic says DRIVE OUT to me . . .
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Old 06-21-2007, 12:07 PM
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The par 3 video is clearly a swing.
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Old 06-21-2007, 12:23 PM
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Maybe in the pic shown he's using his right hand to manipulate the ball flight...
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Old 06-21-2007, 02:18 PM
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Is the active use of accumulator 1 the real distinction between hitter and swinger?? Surely that is just the choice of power package accululators and number of barrels - you can have 4 barrels in hit or swing .... so does that make the 4 barrel swinger the same as a 4 barrel hitter???

My take on the argument is that it is the loading action that distinguishes the hitter from the swinger - drive or drag load. 7-3 stuff...

Identifying the loading action and the nature of support of right forearm for secondary or primary lever... the location of pp3 when loaded ...is it quarter turned....

his right forearm is not in a swingers position when he loads the shaft IMO - the right forearm is 90 to left arm and shaft with pp3 behing the shaft - not quarter turned.
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Old 06-21-2007, 03:10 PM
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Heres a couple of pics, not great quality as it's just paused video from youtube.



Now to me he looks like he's pulling the club and loading his left wrist.
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Old 06-21-2007, 06:43 PM
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When does loading occur?
I think loading occurs when the shaft starts to bend... everthing else is sustaining or increasing load ( drag sustains lag pressure and drive increases lag pressure) ... these photos ( if in the context of full swing) are indeterminate... images of force sensation are almost impossible... got to see where right forearm is and work out where pp3 is in relation to the shaft bend onset... that is loading.... that is what seperates hit and swing.... hit or swing is about physics....direct quote from 7th edition...


"HIT OR SWING

7-19. LAG LOADING
This category recognizes the over-all control by the Clubhead Lag Pressure Point (6-C-2) and that manipulation of its Loading Procedure determines the Physics of both Hitting and Swinging (Preface). (Study 6-H-0, 7-3 and 7-20.)"

All the rest of the "supposed" hitting or swinging components are what makes the imperatives more likely to be maintained through impact... but the key distinction is lag loading... and you have to feel the difference to know it...photos are readily misinterpreted because they do not show the force sensations as readily as they are felt!

It looks like Cabrera loads the shaft with a hitters right forearm position IMO. DOes he have some components that are perhaps generally more compatible with swinging ...possibly .... but that right forearm looks loaded for hitting...
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Old 06-21-2007, 07:28 PM
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Originally Posted by golfbulldog View Post
got to see where right forearm is and work out where pp3 is in relation to the shaft bend onset... that is loading.... that is what seperates hit and swing.... hit or swing is about physics....
Is it?

I always thought it was whether your pulling or pushing, then ideally you want the right forearm in the right position to support that load.
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Old 06-21-2007, 07:39 PM
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Originally Posted by danny_shank View Post
Is it?

I always thought it was whether your pulling or pushing, then ideally you want the right forearm in the right position to support that load.
Pushing or pulling is physics... these are Homer Kelley's words ( as per 7th edition and editing)... my italics /bold/underline....

"HIT OR SWING

7-19. LAG LOADING
This category recognizes the over-all control by the Clubhead Lag Pressure Point (6-C-2) and that manipulation of its Loading Procedure determines the Physics of both Hitting and Swinging (Preface). (Study 6-H-0, 7-3 and 7-20.)"
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