Thank You all guys! I think I´m more with You now! The pool stick example was very enlightning. If I got it right,using a pool cue stick to punch the ball with the far end (or the middle part) of the stick would be comparable with the right arm karate chop action associated with hitting. Or?
for hitting ; when your right arms, and elbow straigthens , push to provide power,, the arms FANS open.. and the hand is perpendicular to the plane..
However ... with swinging... since the initial motion is Pulling.. the Sweetspot or force need to be "behind" and parrallel to the plane.. Thus centrifugal force will provide the force uncock the left wrist then roll the left forearm, at the same time the force/sweetspot/Momentum/clubhead will move forward and thus "release". Thus what TGM call mastering the THROWAWAY, different from CASTAWAY ...
its not impossible to use a Fanning motion with pulling( no karate chop)..but just not efficient as you loses the power of the ROLL...
Thus Karate chop/ wrist throw is very consistently mentioned.
A cuing is opposite of a golf swing. I would not use that..personally.
I would rather use a rope with a weight at the other end as an analogy... if the shaft is a rope with a weight at the end.. from start down , it can only be pulled and centrifugal force is forcing this rope to be straight and eventually centrifugal force is going to make the weight move down then forward(release)..meanwhile keeping the rope tight.
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Homer had no problem with the right arm and swinging. However, he was reluctant to have the beginner swing with the right arm. I believe Homer wanted the beginner to have control of the flat left wrist and achieve a solid understanding/foundation of TGM before attempting to move up to Full Power with the right arm. I believe Tom Tomasello wanted to change that and have the student use the Magic of the Right Forearm from the start. For example, checkout video #2 from the letter series....you'll find Tommy start with chipping and work it up to a full swing. Totally makes sense. Reference 12-5-1/2/3 in the book.
Trust me...I have no right elbow problems using the Magic of the Right Forearm....swinging or hitting..None...Zipo...and during the off-season, I mainly swing weighted clubs to keep in shape.
Also....I highly recommend the extensor action drill that Tommy demonstrates in the Australia video series...that drill will show you how the right forearm should move in the swing...especially the downswing. Watch what happens if you try to go out at the beginning of the downswing.....look what happens to the shoulders.....you'll find the first motion in the downswing is exactly that.....DOWN. Please experiment at slow speeds....really slow. That drill is worth its weight in gold and should be practiced regularly.
DG
Last edited by Delaware Golf : 01-24-2007 at 01:31 AM.
Trust me...I have no right elbow problems using the Magic of the Right Forearm....
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You will not have elbow problems with the Magic of the Right Forearm since it is NOT right arm swing exclusive. The Magic of the Right Forearm applies to ALL TGM strokes.
Homer, who warned of elbow problems was concern about the right elbow being the center of the swing instead of the left shoulder. Whether one experiences a problem is debatable but Homer never said that 7-3 would be the cause. 7-3 belongs to all machines.
Swinging the right forearm is not the same as Right forearm swing.
Right forearm swing in TGM terms= replacing the center of the swing from the left shoulder to the right elbow. and its Very bad for elbow..read 10-3-K. In this case.. the flat left wrist is NO LONGER an Essential.
Swinging the right forearm .. well.. A hit and a Swing ... still need to "swing" and keep rhythm, and elbows still straighten and "push" to release. I initially could not understand what Tom Tomasello tried to explain until. the incubator cracked. He is simply explaining the importance of the Magic of the right forearms and how to execute it with the intent of the least compensation.. In this case It would not hurt the right elbow Unless it was jerked...
Letter 2 .. of his video is therefore so so so important...
I have David to thank for his posts, I reread and reread his posts and re see resee tom's video until... chirp chirp... the incubator hatched....
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Lynn loves the dowels ("send in the dowels"). He said to practice with them everyday, even it just for a few minutes. Why? To feel 7-3. The movement of the right arm is every machineheads magic, Hitters have it, and Swingers have it- with either arm. I don't want anyone to think it is proprietary to right arm swinging.
Swinging the right forearm is not the same as Right forearm swing.
Right forearm swing in TGM terms= replacing the center of the swing from the left shoulder to the right elbow. and its Very bad for elbow..read 10-3-K. In this case.. the flat left wrist is NO LONGER an Essential.
Swinging the right forearm .. well.. A hit and a Swing ... still need to "swing" and keep rhythm, and elbows still straighten and "push" to release. I initially could not understand what Tom Tomasello tried to explain until. the incubator cracked. He is simply explaining the importance of the Magic of the right forearms and how to execute it with the intent of the least compensation.. In this case It would not hurt the right elbow Unless it was jerked...
Letter 2 .. of his video is therefore so so so important...
I have David to thank for his posts, I reread and reread his posts and re see resee tom's video until... chirp chirp... the incubator hatched....
Nuke99,
Please give us the details on the comment "Swinging the right forearm is not the same as Right forearm swing." Exactly what do you mean by that comment??? There is no comment in 10-3-K which says using the right arm to swing is very very bad??? I would recommend getting the 7th edition....10-3-K has changed.
DG
Last edited by Delaware Golf : 01-24-2007 at 10:23 PM.
7-19
The "Right Arm Swing" is simply 10-3-K with loosened Wrists (7-1) and longitudinal acceleration using 7-19-3 above. Only with this "Rope Handle" procedure can the Right Arm be said to "Swing"--and still per 1-L-9 and -10. But wih the Axe Handle procedures there must be a straight line piston action to avoid injury to the right elbow ligaments. So, if there is a twinge in the elbow, you are Swinging your Right Arm.
10-3-K
The center of the Clubhead orbit is readily transferred from the Left Shoulder to the Right Elbow. The Right Arm now is actually driving the Clubhead rather than the Left Arm and the Flat Left Wrist is now help- ful but not essentials.....
word for word... but swinging the right arm and right arm swing .... they are not the same no?...
the magic of right forearm is 7-3 ... thus, there is a difference I believe.
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7-19
The "Right Arm Swing" is simply 10-3-K with loosened Wrists (7-1) and longitudinal acceleration using 7-19-3 above. Only with this "Rope Handle" procedure can the Right Arm be said to "Swing"--and still per 1-L-9 and -10. But wih the Axe Handle procedures there must be a straight line piston action to avoid injury to the right elbow ligaments. So, if there is a twinge in the elbow, you are Swinging your Right Arm.
10-3-K
The center of the Clubhead orbit is readily transferred from the Left Shoulder to the Right Elbow. The Right Arm now is actually driving the Clubhead rather than the Left Arm and the Flat Left Wrist is now help- ful but not essentials.....
word for word... but swinging the right arm and right arm swing .... they are not the same no?...
the magic of right forearm is 7-3 ... thus, there is a difference I believe.
First, I would suggest getting a copy of a webster's dictionary and lookup the word longitudinal....I believe websters captures the exact meaning of longitudinal that fits with the golf "SWING" and 10-19-C. Then I would re-read...10-19-C, 7-19, 10-3-K and especially 7-3 (Multlipe times, especially the last paragraph). You're getting closer to another ahhhh moment.....then watch the number 5 chapter series video on "Power" and the number 9 chapter series video on "hitting and swinging" and listen for the part where Tomasello says "One Smooth Motion".
DG
Last edited by Delaware Golf : 01-24-2007 at 11:08 PM.
I don't really get into the push versus pull debate and all of the debate over what is the center of the swing because I really don't care about that type of stuff. All I care about is learning and knowing how to execute a proper swing that allows me to be most effective on the golf course. Don't get me wrong, I am not implying that the debate is pointless, I simply focus on how to execute and my learning stems from that. Consequently, I will tell you that right arm swinging as defined by Tomasello works magnificently!
I started as a hitter and transformed myself into a right arm swinger even though I still "hit" my chips. It was pretty simple to do using Tomasello's drill combined with Peter Crokers explanations. Particularly helpful is Tomasello's arm only drills as mentioned in Video 2 by Delaware Golf in an earlier post Interestingly enough, Yoda taught me the same drill to learn extensor action during one of my lessons with him some time ago.
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