My post above was edited by someone other than myself. It completely changed the nuance and meaning.
NO ONE has the moral right to change the meaning of my posts. Because it is your website you have the right to ban me or delete my posts, but once again DO NOT PUT WORDS IN MY MOUTH THAT MISREPRESENT ME.
Now please change the damage you have caused.
My point wasw Sceptic got his head handed to him on a silver planter and he wasn't man enough to admit it.
Now if management doesn't like this then delete my posts.
Easy there, Rumbler. It was my mistake, and I apologize.
I was attempting to reply to your post, but I hit my admin 'edit' button instead of the 'quote' button. So, thinking I was extracting a quote for my reply, I was actually editing your post. As I recall, there was only one or two other lines, and I didn't think it was a serious issue. Nevertheless, I should have PMed you as to the error. Please use your edit function and restore the post to its original intent (or PM me the missing text and I will do it for you).
Again, my apologies. There was absolutely no intention to censure your post or change its meaning in any way.
P.S. In the interest of total clarification, I didn't add any words to Rumbler's post, i.e., "put words in [his] mouth", I just deleted some (and I think most of those were in golf_sceptic's post he quoted].
My point wasw Sceptic got his head handed to him on a silver planter and he wasn't man enough to admit it.
There's a bit more too it than that. I thanked yoda because he read what I wrote, stated his position clearly, and in such a way that I was able to consider the issues further. The only people who have tried to hand me my head on a silver platter have used personal attacks and bogus arguments which have no impact on me at all.
It may take one of your own to explain it to you before you believe it, but the laws of physics are different in non-inertial frames of reference (as Mike's quote says). That doesn't discredit Mr Kelley's work. If my interpretation is right it places his work in a different and in many ways more favourable light.
The TGM world can look at this from two ways.
The first is to launch into hyperbole as Daryl has started to do above, make a mockery of the discussion, and then others can join the frenzy by burning the blasphemer at the stake, or handing me my head on a platter.
The second is to understand that the difference is a powerful tool in those interminable centrifugal force discussions if in fact much (or most) of what Mr Kelley wrote was in what a physicist would describe as a non-inertial frames of reference. A physicist who knows their stuff will recognise the power of this position instantly.
This shifts the focus (in the car example above) from "yes there's a force which pushes the passenger forward" v "oh no there's not" v "oh yes there is", to a more measured "it depends on the frame of reference".
It does the same thing to centrifugal force. Instead of "Homer got it wrong" v "Oh no he didn't" v "Oh yes he did", we have a more measured "it depends on the frame of reference. The next time yoda hears somebody explain the rock and the boy the way I did, he can reply "yes, but that is in an inertial frame. If we look from the frame of reference of the rock things are different" and add what ThinkingPlus intimated about the non-inertial frame being more convenient when analysing motion in the golf swing.
So before we have my head on a platter, let's have a considered input (and perhaps a nerdy discussion) from ThinkingPlus.
Then you can have my head on a platter, burn me at the stake, and hang draw and quarter me, skin me alive and any other form of torture.
So, for those who like one line summaries, I'd like to deal with the issue as follows:
"Are the criticisms of the physics in Mr Kelley's work mostly based on the incorrect assumption that his observations are made with respect to an inertial frame of reference?"
Last edited by golf_sceptic : 06-29-2006 at 06:14 PM.
Which post did you find to be more of a mockery, my first post or my second post? I thought the second was a little snappier. You think?
I promise to buy your book when it's finished, but the movie? It needs to be an action-adventure type or I can't promise anything.
I think that you've been in front of the computer for too many hours and days. You need to get out and do something for a while. It's not healthy, really. Try Golf. I heard it's relaxing.
Gravity: Pulls the ball back to Earth after 180 yards. Without it the ball will go 285 yards like on the PGA because they stop gravity for tournaments.
Inertia: It’s what you feel when you have a cart buddy that doesn’t drive very well.
Momentum: Is what you need to get up a steep hill on a battery operated golf cart.
Magnetism: That is why balls turn right and land in the water. They are being pulled in by the Golf Gods.
Centripetal Force: That’s Spanish for Centrifugal Force. The force that POWERS the Golf swing.
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