Hi Mike O. You have a handle on Paddlewheel. The visual rotation of the Paddle Wheel gives me problems. Does the wheel
go clockwise or counterclockwise. Seems to me that swinging
with horizontal hinging would use a clockwise rotation with the
left hand rotating clockwise through impact, but with hitting
and angular hinging, the wheel would have to be rotating counter
clockwise to produce the layback. Please help me to get the
visual concept. Thanks, Donn
Mike O, I had the clockwise/counter clockwise backward. Looking
at 10-10-C the arrow of the angle hinge goes clockwise. Would
this not push the boat backward? When a person, in a canoe uses
a hand paddle, he drags the paddle counter clockwise to move
the canoe forward? Maybe EdZ has some thoughts. He had a great
post "Right Arm participation vs Right Arm thrust".
Thanks, Donn
Angle of Approach Versus Angle of Approach Procedure
Originally Posted by johngolf33
If you were using 10-5-E with Hitting, I assume that you would turn the left wrist going back so that it would lie flat on the Crossline Plane to right field, and that on the downswing the right shoulder would lead down the Crossline Plane to set the Pressure Points for a straight line delivery of the clubhead i.e. Wheel Track. If you were using 10-5-A would you still have a straight line delivery Angle of Approach i.e. Wheel Track, and would the difference be that the clubhead would travel down the Angle of Attack but not cross the Low Point Plane Line to right field?
Good question, John. As usual!
You would still have a straight line Angle of Approach, but remember, with 10-5-A, you Trace the true Geometric Plane Line. And when you do this, the Clubhead Covers its curvedVisual Equivalent, the Arc of Approach (the Clubhead Blur through Impact and Low Point). It therefore cannot Cover the straight line Visual Equivalent, the Angle of Approach (also through Impact and Low Point).
Hitters using 10-5-E as their Baseline do not Trace the (Geometric) Plane Line of 10-5-A and hence do not Cover its Arc of Approach. Instead, they abandon the Tracing concept altogether and Cover the Angle of Approach, the straight line -- not curved -- Visual Equivalent of the true Geometric Plane Line.
Hitters using 10-5-E as their Baseline do not Trace the (Geometric) Plane Line of 10-5-A and hence do not Cover its Arc of Approach. Instead, they abandon the Tracing concept altogether and Cover the Angle of Approach, the straight line -- not curved -- Visual Equivalent of the true Geometric Plane Line.
Hitters covering their 10-5-E Delivery Line also indirectly Trace the Geometric Plane Line of 10-5-A (from which 10-5-E is derived from). But the linear force produced by the Right Arm Thrust may cause the Clubhead to go 'above Plane' during Follow Through. Which is alright as the Ball is long gone.
Hitters covering their 10-5-E Delivery Line also indirectly Trace the Geometric Plane Line of 10-5-A (from which 10-5-E is derived from). But the linear force produced by the Right Arm Thrust may cause the Clubhead to go 'above Plane' during Follow Through. Which is alright as the Ball is long gone.
I would like to jump in here too. 2-J-3 is WAY different in the 5th edition than the most up to date 6th at this point. There are some things from the 5th that failed to make "the cut." However, I think they are invaluable in the regards of Delivery Lines and Delivery Paths. Here's some stuff from the 5th that I think is particularly ingenius:
First of all the title of 2-J-3 was PLANE LINE EQUIVALENTS in the 5th.
Although the Base Line of the Inclined Plane is the true geometrical Plane Line it is not the only Delivery Reference Line available.
Locating and "Fixing" the selected Delivery Line (refering to the Clubhead only including the Plane Line) is a mandatory Address procedure.
HOW DO YOU SEE THE LINES (Plane Line, Arc of Approach, and Angle of Approach)?
Remember per 2-J-1 IMPACT ALIGNMENTS The geometry of all alignments stems form the Impact geometry requirements
The above Lines are made visible, and the correspinding Feel of the straight line Lag Pressure Thrust, is established by moving the Right Forearm and the Clubshaft On Plane during the Address Routine.
THIS HUGE IMO - Get your Right Forearm On-Plane and you can see the Lines . . . Why?
The Right Forearm also presents the correct Angle of Approach and its utilization is FAR SUPERIOR to all other procedures.
How do you do this?
Get your Right Forearm On-Plane during the Address Routine and Takeaway, adjust the Clubhead Angle of Approach to APPEAR PARALLEL TO THE RIGHT FOREARM.
So what you do is get your Right Forearm On-Plane at Fix. Look at the Line extending down and out to the Plane Line. Now imagine a line running PARALLEL to that line at the Clubhead. That is your Angle of Approach Delivery Line suited for "Cross-Line Hitting."
Check this out at your crib. Find a place in your house or driveway where you have a straight line. Get two dowels out. One will substitute for your club. The other your going to lay on the ground. The line on your drive way is your True Geometric Plane Line. Now set up to the Plane Line and go to Impact Fix. Get your Right Forearm and Dowel IN THE SAME PLANE. Look at where your Right Forearm is pointing: Towards the line on the driveway well down it and extending Across it. Now imagine a line running parallel to your On-Plane Right Forearm where the ball would be. Now place the other dowel on this line. Check it out. That is your Clubhead Delivery Line.
Note: As your ball position moves back, your Right Forearm points at a different angle. Therefore changing your Delivery Line as well.
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Last edited by 12 piece bucket : 03-16-2006 at 09:22 AM.
Hitters using 10-5-E as their Baseline do not Trace the (Geometric) Plane Line of 10-5-A and hence do not Cover its Arc of Approach. Instead, they abandon the Tracing concept altogether and Cover the Angle of Approach, the straight line -- not curved -- Visual Equivalent of the true Geometric Plane Line.
Originally Posted by tongzilla
Hitters covering their 10-5-E Delivery Line also indirectlyTrace the Geometric Plane Line of 10-5-A (from which 10-5-E is derived from). But the linear force produced by the Right Arm Thrust may cause the Clubhead to go 'above Plane' during Follow Through. Which is alright as the Ball is long gone.
No, Leo, as stated above, Hitters utilizing the Angle of Approach procedure do not Trace -- directly or indirectly -- the true Geometric Plane Line. Doing so would imply the use of the original Plane and that simply is not the case. Again, the Hitter using the Angle of Approach procedure totally abandons the original Plane.
Remember, just because there is a straight line Angle of Approach arbitrarily associated with a given Plane Angle, that does not mean that you Cover it during the Stroke. Instead, you cover the curved line Arc of Approach. Therefore, should you choose to Cover the straight line Angle of Approach, you cannot remain on the original Plane.
Admittedly, this is tough stuff. But keep incubating, everybody: You'll get there!
No, Leo, as stated above, Hitters utilizing the Angle of Approach procedure do not Trace -- directly or indirectly -- the true Geometric Plane Line. Doing so would imply the use of the original Plane and that simply is not the case. Again, the Hitter using the Angle of Approach procedure totally abandons the original Plane.
Remember, just because there is a straight line Angle of Approach arbitrarily associated with a given Plane Angle, that does not mean that you Cover it during the Stroke. Instead, you cover the curved line Arc of Approach. Therefore, should you choose to Cover the straight line Angle of Approach, you cannot remain on the original Plane.
Admittedly, this is tough stuff. But keep incubating, everybody: You'll get there!
Per 1-L-6, "The Clubshaft always points at the Plane Line except when they are parallel to each other."
Now, I thought we've confirmed before that "Plane Line" in the above quote refers to the True Geometric Plane Line, (not the Geometric (and Visual) Equivalent) from which the Angle of Approach is derived from. Yes?
You would still have a straight line Angle of Approach, but remember, with 10-5-A, you Trace the true Geometric Plane Line. And when you do this, the Clubhead Covers its curvedVisual Equivalent, the Arc of Approach (the Clubhead Blur through Impact and Low Point). It therefore cannot Cover the straight line Visual Equivalent, the Angle of Approach (also through Impact and Low Point).
Hitters using 10-5-E as their Baseline do not Trace the (Geometric) Plane Line of 10-5-A and hence do not Cover its Arc of Approach. Instead, they abandon the Tracing concept altogether and Cover the Angle of Approach, the straight line -- not curved -- Visual Equivalent of the true Geometric Plane Line.
Some illustrations AND Photographs of golfers executing these motions would really help...Yoda tell us who...we'll get the pics and betwen Leo and myself we can perform the illustrations you provide the insight and take the lead!!!!
Per 1-L-6, "The Clubshaft always points at the Plane Line except when they are parallel to each other."
Now, I thought we've confirmed before that "Plane Line" in the above quote refers to the True Geometric Plane Line, (not the Geometric (and Visual) Equivalent) from which the Angle of Approach is derived from. Yes?
And "points at" means Trace. Yes?
Yes.
Yes.
But as I said (and continue to say ) ...
The Hitter's Angle of Approach procedure does not utilize the true Geometric Plane Line.
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