Pulling many shots, why?

[EdZ]

Here are some swings at lunch.

Its weird, the roll of the hands trying to get the forearm in the correct position at the top is hard.

I see the Couples photo with the bent left wrist at the top, I have no clue how to get to that position.

Here is the rolling forearm takeaway shots...blurry on the 420 frames, that just does not work good on this camera, maybe my setups.

DTL -

FO -

Here is a video where I use a right arm thrust action

DTL -

In all the left arm is not pushing away as much as previously, I think this is a good thing?

One comment, my buddies who held the camera commented, when I use a hitting right arm action they said the sound is just different, more of a thud into the ground. I guess the compression may be better.

Backswing looks better if you want to swing. It looks to me like your natural move is more of a hitter, and that if you want to hit, your pivot needs a touch of crossline hip motion.

Part of the reason you tend to steepen on the downswing is that the right hip isn't cleared (flexibility plays a role).

In your hitting motion, think right hip over right heel back, right hip over left toes through.

hit or swing, you've got a solid move. The other area I would look is your finish swivel (in both cases). Hit some punch shots and finish with the club below your hands, check your alignments - where is the toe of the club pointing?

[O.B.Left]

Here is something a little weird to consider in regard to the plane of the left wrist cock and the RFT or Pickup.

Without a club , assume your address position. The plane of the palm of your right wrist is kinda sorta at 90 degrees to the shoulders right. Now swing to Top. Here too the right palm while under and supporting Hogans sheet of glass its is still at about 90 degrees to the shoulders which have now rotated. Its a little confusing but I hope you follow me. So if this is their relationship at address and at top then why would one want to rotate the palm of the right hand into a more parallel to the shoulders relationship going back? You'd have to undo some if not all of it by Top.


Also if you go to top and then, keeping your right arm/shoulder relationship in tact bring your shoulders back to address you'll see the right hand is about right shoulder high and over your right leg. This reveals the extent and direction of right arm motion needed to get to Top (when combined with a pivot for a full shot only).

So for a full shot, a Major Basic Stroke anyways, the right arm takeaway motion when viewed in isolation is a little fanning and then a Right Forearm Pickup via right elbow bending, UP to right shoulder high, TOP. Although with some momentum you can actually regard the last bit of its travel to Top as just gliding as opposed to lifting. This fanning and bending when sequenced will be like an "L" but when blended will be more of a diagonal move of the right hand from its address to right shoulder high (when the pivot is zeroed out). The Pickup portion of it is a clear right elbow bend which when combined with a pivot will cock the left wrist as well. This is the plane of the left wrist cock. Its more like pure vertical hammering than you think. But its a right handed hammering that cocks the left wrist UP. Weird or what? Going down you have options, but thats another story.

[12 piece bucket]

bottom line . . . assuming you hit the ball on the sweetspot . . . the ball STARTS where the face is looking essentially . . . so if it's starting left . . . it's because the face is looking over there.

Try having the face looking left at address . . . if you push the handle forward (shaft lean) the face vector looks more and more right . . . soooooo same concept at the top. If you get it shut at the top you have to get shaft lean so the face will look right enough to either start at the target or right of it.

So you can do a few things to get the face to pull the ball left

1. STATIC - set up with it LOOKING OVER THERE
2. Backstroke/Downstroke - do something whacky with your wrist conditions that shuts the face (with your grip a visually flat left wrist will do it . . . unless you get it open at address to compensate)
3. Downstroke - do something that makes your forearms ROLL (hand action) that will get the face closing fast and give you potential for a face pull (via - well actively rolling, stalling the pivot, hanging back, shifting the plane to the right)

I don't really like that rolling deal your being told by some folks . . . as she goes back she tends to come down . . . if you get it shut we sure don't need you rolling the face MORE. Even though you do it right in the drill . . . can you play golf like that?

If your grip is gonna be turned . . . you need to learn how your wedge is going to look to keep it in line and not shut. Grip it like you normally do . . . and just pick the club up in a vertical fashion like you were gonna hammer the ground in a vertical plane. If you don't do some whackjob move your wrist should cock AND BEND with your grip. So it's the same concept with golf . . . you're just doing the same hammering motion ON AN INCLINED PLANE. The left arm flying wedge is geometric . . the shaft and the arm shoud be IN LINE . . . so with a turned grip your wrist will BEND AND COCK to maintain that relationship . . . do it on a vertical plane . . . you'll see how it works.

So anyhow . . . again the question becomes . . can you play golf doing that? Who knows . . .

So you need to experiment . . .

1. Does rolling work? Maybe I don't like that one though
2. Learn to bend and cock your wrist with your grip? Could work
3. Keep the same grip and just open the face? Pretty easy.
4. Learn to lean the shaft better . . . can have ball flight implications with the long clubs . . see lee buck.
5. Change your grip some . . . a grip can be like a wife to some . . . cheaper to keep her.

That's how I seez it anyhow. But Hey . . . I got the same issue . . . still trying to figure it out. But those are the options according to Hucklebuckle.

[O.B.Left]

Nice..............

[gmbtempe]

It sounds like I have a few options and trying them out to see what works best is the plan.

Thanks!

[gmbtempe]

Backswing looks better if you want to swing. It looks to me like your natural move is more of a hitter, and that if you want to hit, your pivot needs a touch of crossline hip motion.

Part of the reason you tend to steepen on the downswing is that the right hip isn't cleared (flexibility plays a role).

In your hitting motion, think right hip over right heel back, right hip over left toes through.

hit or swing, you've got a solid move. The other area I would look is your finish swivel (in both cases). Hit some punch shots and finish with the club below your hands, check your alignments - where is the toe of the club pointing?

1. Natural move is more of a hitter? Can you explain why you say that, I am very interested.

2. I don't know what crossline hip motion means, but I will hit the search function.

3. When you say right hip has not cleared, is this more having the hip open, a la a Vijay Singh or are you meaning getting that weight more moving left after the "top" is reached like Hogan?

[drewitgolf]

Well . . .

Last week, the principal partners of The Golf Club at Cuscowilla and I finalized plans for the new 2,240 square foot Teaching Center. A Crenshaw-Coor design, Cuscowilla is ranked as the #1 Course You Can Play in Georgia and #19 in America (Golfweek and Golf Digest.)

Today, led by Andrew Ward, CEO of Cuscowilla; Jarrod Clark, Head Professional; and myself, Founder and Director of Instruction, Lynn Blake Golf Academy at Cuscowilla, a crew of about a dozen dedicated souls sited the building, staked it out and broke ground.

This career is very different from my first, but . . .

So far . . .

So good!

Congratulations on the new teaching venue. Nice to see your schedule is slowing down for a change . So when is the class reunion?

[EdZ]

1. Natural move is more of a hitter? Can you explain why you say that, I am very interested.

2. I don't know what crossline hip motion means, but I will hit the search function.

3. When you say right hip has not cleared, is this more having the hip open, a la a Vijay Singh or are you meaning getting that weight more moving left after the "top" is reached like Hogan?

In your first video's, you take the club back without any startup swivel (keeping the face pointing at the ball, or more square to its arc).

Doing that will put your right elbow into more of a hitter's punch elbow position, and lead to loading the 'side' of the shaft - a hitter's loading - at top.

By 'clearing the hip' - it means quite literally getting that hip out of the way so that you can take the club back, and through, on plane. So the hands path doesn't colide with the right hip.

On the backswing for a hitter that means moving the right hip 'back' - the feel of sitting on your right cheek, getting your weight to your right heel.

As a drill to feel the right hip out of the way, setup with your right foot well behind your left, up on the toes, so that you are mainly on your left leg, and take some swings for 1/2 shots.

On the downswing that means getting the hands more down plane before the right hip moves 'out'. Although the easiest way I've found for that is to simply focus on sending the right shoulder down the plane towards the ball (which should also help prevent those pulls).

Think of your right hip moving back and forth on a line that is at 45 degrees to your targetline for a cross line hip motion.

All of that said, in the later videos, you have a nice swinger's startup and you would certainly not want to have that cross line move in that case. The startup swivel allows your right elbow to be in a pitch position (like skipping a rock), and to load the 'top' of the shaft (getting under it at the end of the backswing). In that pattern you'd want your hips to move in a more circular fashion, on line, rather than cross line.

[JerryG]

Here is something a little weird to consider in regard to the plane of the left wrist cock and the RFT or Pickup.

Without a club , assume your address position. The plane of the palm of your right wrist is kinda sorta at 90 degrees to the shoulders right. Now swing to Top. Here too the right palm while under and supporting Hogans sheet of glass its is still at about 90 degrees to the shoulders which have now rotated. Its a little confusing but I hope you follow me. So if this is their relationship at address and at top then why would one want to rotate the palm of the right hand into a more parallel to the shoulders relationship going back? You'd have to undo some if not all of it by Top.


Also if you go to top and then, keeping your right arm/shoulder relationship in tact bring your shoulders back to address you'll see the right hand is about right shoulder high and over your right leg. This reveals the extent and direction of right arm motion needed to get to Top (when combined with a pivot for a full shot only).

So for a full shot, a Major Basic Stroke anyways, the right arm takeaway motion when viewed in isolation is a little fanning and then a Right Forearm Pickup via right elbow bending, UP to right shoulder high, TOP. Although with some momentum you can actually regard the last bit of its travel to Top as just gliding as opposed to lifting. This fanning and bending when sequenced will be like an "L" but when blended will be more of a diagonal move of the right hand from its address to right shoulder high (when the pivot is zeroed out). The Pickup portion of it is a clear right elbow bend which when combined with a pivot will cock the left wrist as well. This is the plane of the left wrist cock. Its more like pure vertical hammering than you think. But its a right handed hammering that cocks the left wrist UP. Weird or what? Going down you have options, but thats another story.

Thanks for this O.B. It is just what the doc ordered.
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[O.B.Left]

Thanks Gerry.

Thats a right side centric view of the backswing. Left side is very different , though they both end up at the same Top position. Which is perplexing at first.

Its weird stuff when you isolate the individual contributions of the components. The pivot on its own, given its connection at the shoulder to the right arm provides much of the IN associated with three dimensional takeaway. The Right Elbow bending provides much of the UP. The BACK is seldom an issue for most golfers. We all get that. Blended it all nets out on plane, which the brain and hands can make happen quite naturally with Hand monitoring. Without thinking about these individual motions at all. We do it all the time in every day life. The problem we golfers have is we start contriving, focusing on "golf moves" that break the brain to hands communication which inevitably result in off plane meanderings by the hands and club. The correction is to reestablish the brain to hands connection, or focus and if necessary re train the individual components to do only that which they need do and nothing more. In the end its just your brain sensing your hand motion, the corrections automatic and perfectly aligned. Like when you put your fork to your mouth or something. No blood.

We play golf by feel.