I agree that many of the Macdonalds drills promote good actions. This Drill isn't one of them. Swinging the Clubhead is treating the Golf Swing as a Pendulum System. The Golf Swing is a Lever System. The Backstroke and Downstroke are very different.
What are you talkin aboot? Wild Bill Drill ? McDonald exercise? I did say that it was common for guys to underestimate them, especially the more accomplished golfer. McDonald said this in his book.
Dont prove him right D!
Wild Bill Drill (WBD) worked for Hogan .
When Im waiting for my turn to take a shot . I sometimes walk over to the heavier grass (if im not in it) and WBD some brushes in both directions. Next shot is always a corker .
Swooshing the grass, back and forth, is Swivel Practice. Isn't this normally synchronized with a "march in place" to help neophytes learn a better understanding (not perfect) of the coordination between Weight Shift and Downswing?
Yes in place or just plane marching. Left , right Left ... Brush , brush , brush. If anyone gets a lesson from Yoda they'll get to hear him say this And yes , done by neophytes like hogan and vj sing etc. Lynn saw vj take to the tall grass once .
Advanced form of the drill.... Fade , draw , fade draw. Done primarily with path although there is a difference in the release. As an aside every time I see someone demonstrate ball flight laws with changes in path (plane line direction) I do see some changes to their release . A little hanky panky . Same with the guys on tv. Rory holds off a fade for instance and beautifully , nothing wrong with this. Nothing wrong with finish swivel , on plane although some guys think it's ugly for some reason. Despite the fact that most of the guys on tv do it. Weird ain't it. Byron left the photos of his horizontal and finish swivel out of his book ! His theory and his actual swing were in conflict . I'd say his swing did the talking .
Btw only The misguided try to play a straight shot IMO. Wanna get immediately more accurate Play some curve . Put some junk on everything as part of your address routine planning preparation visualization and the when actually making the shot watch the clubhead blurr along yiur chosen curved line or arc of Approach while you feel your release type. There's more to this , what Yoda calls " the four sees". I have it on video . I'll share when if the topic comes up. Takes about 20 minutes to describe but two seconds to actually perform. It's what golf reduces to , after training , when playing.
Ask a Pro how he swings the Club and you'll get 10 different answers........from the same Pro.
The Backstroke and Downstroke are very different. I don't doubt that the Pendulum Marching Drill is useful for something but bear in mind that the Impact Alignment, by necessity of the Pendulum is a Swivel.
Swiveling and Hinging are Apples and Oranges. It took me forever to learn the difference. My first Golf Instructor should be in jail. I've searched for a very long time in books, the internet and Golf DVDs and I'm convinced that none of the instructors know the difference (present company excluded). And yet, every Pro I watch, and in Slow Motion, HINGE through the Impact Interval. Good Ball Strikers don't use the Pendulum when they swing a Club but they do apply the geometry while Putting.
I helped Innercityteacher understand the difference between Swiveling and the Right Forearm Angle of Approach. If he would comment on the difference, it would help if he noted if he ever heard or learned of this before and when he reviews the swings of Good Ball Strikers if he sees them Swiveling or Hinging.
Homer Kelley discovered this 50 years ago and writes in great length about it. I'm very SHOCKED, Shocked and more shocked that it isn't standard Golf instruction. If you don't learn it here at LBG.com you'll never learn it. How can anyone call themselves a Golf Instructor without understanding these simple Alignments. I'm completely Shocked. I need a Drink.
Thanks for your contributions, I toyed with the image of the bucket at the range last week-end and it helped a lot. However, it feels like Horizontal Hinge, is that right ?
PS: Someone pointed to me that Homer said the Hinge Action could be duplicated by a swivel, I will have to find out where and in which edition it appeared (I don't have an electronic version of the book).
Ask a Pro how he swings the Club and you'll get 10 different answers........from the same Pro.
The Backstroke and Downstroke are very different. I don't doubt that the Pendulum Marching Drill is useful for something but bear in mind that the Impact Alignment, by necessity of the Pendulum is a Swivel.
Swiveling and Hinging are Apples and Oranges. It took me forever to learn the difference. My first Golf Instructor should be in jail. I've searched for a very long time in books, the internet and Golf DVDs and I'm convinced that none of the instructors know the difference (present company excluded). And yet, every Pro I watch, and in Slow Motion, HINGE through the Impact Interval. Good Ball Strikers don't use the Pendulum when they swing a Club but they do apply the geometry while Putting.
I helped Innercityteacher understand the difference between Swiveling and the Right Forearm Angle of Approach. If he would comment on the difference, it would help if he noted if he ever heard or learned of this before and when he reviews the swings of Good Ball Strikers if he sees them Swiveling or Hinging.
Homer Kelley discovered this 50 years ago and writes in great length about it. I'm very SHOCKED, Shocked and more shocked that it isn't standard Golf instruction. If you don't learn it here at LBG.com you'll never learn it. How can anyone call themselves a Golf Instructor without understanding these simple Alignments. I'm completely Shocked. I need a Drink.
Had the PGA worked with Mr. Kelley on their curriculum in the first place, we would not be having this conversation. We in the golf business would have had a totally different understanding of the ball flight laws as well.
Your rant is 100% correct!
Kevin
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I could be wrong. I have been before, and will be again.
Thanks for your contributions, I toyed with the image of the bucket at the range last week-end and it helped a lot. However, it feels like Horizontal Hinge, is that right ?
PS: Someone pointed to me that Homer said the Hinge Action could be duplicated by a swivel, I will have to find out where and in which edition it appeared (I don't have an electronic version of the book).
I know what you mean by "feeling" like a Horizontal Hinge. But that's because you're using a "Pitched" Elbow Alignment. If you use a "Punch" Alignment it would feel like a "Hit".
It can Align a Horizontal Hinge, or Angled or Vertical Hinge. The "Bucket Drill" teaches, demonstrates, the "Right Forearm Angle of Approach. The Top of the Bucket will be Level to the Ground for ALL Hinge Actions. Elbow Location determines the Hinge Pin Alignment.
If you "Zero" out the #3 Accumulator (in the Left Hand) then the Right Forearm provides an Angle of Approach. Only when the Left Arm Wedge is included would you say that the Right Forearm is an Alignment Aid to Hinging because "Inherent" to Loading the Primary or Secondary Lever is a specific Elbow Alignment and each different Alignment Aligns the Hinge Pin to a different Plane. Vertical Hinging can use either Elbow Alignment so it isn't considered an Inherent Hinge Action.
Ask a Pro how he swings the Club and you'll get 10 different answers........from the same Pro.
The Backstroke and Downstroke are very different. I don't doubt that the Pendulum Marching Drill is useful for something but bear in mind that the Impact Alignment, by necessity of the Pendulum is a Swivel.
Swiveling and Hinging are Apples and Oranges. It took me forever to learn the difference. My first Golf Instructor should be in jail. I've searched for a very long time in books, the internet and Golf DVDs and I'm convinced that none of the instructors know the difference (present company excluded). And yet, every Pro I watch, and in Slow Motion, HINGE through the Impact Interval. Good Ball Strikers don't use the Pendulum when they swing a Club but they do apply the geometry while Putting.
I helped Innercityteacher understand the difference between Swiveling and the Right Forearm Angle of Approach. If he would comment on the difference, it would help if he noted if he ever heard or learned of this before and when he reviews the swings of Good Ball Strikers if he sees them Swiveling or Hinging.
Homer Kelley discovered this 50 years ago and writes in great length about it. I'm very SHOCKED, Shocked and more shocked that it isn't standard Golf instruction. If you don't learn it here at LBG.com you'll never learn it. How can anyone call themselves a Golf Instructor without understanding these simple Alignments. I'm completely Shocked. I need a Drink.
I can feel the difference now, between Swiveling and Hinging! It does really feel different. As a result of the new Right Forearm Angle of Approach awareness, I became very aware of the correct Start-up Swivel, the correct way to carry-back for a Hitter, the correct parallel Hip Bump, Acquired Motion for both Hitters and Swingers, the meaning of the "Wheel Rim" for Swingers, the reason for the right forearm being 90 degrees to the Plane, various correct delivery paths, Hand Acceleration and some ideas around "snapping the whip."
I also understand how not to get stuck and how to hit an 8 degree driver with a high, penetrating ball flight, ON PURPOSE!
Now, if I can just get a 50 degree day or an indoor range!
ICT
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HP, grant me the serenity to accept what I cannot change, the courage to change what I can, and the wisdom to know the difference. Progress and not perfection is the goal every day!
He said thanks for thinking of him and that although his plane theory was a pretty good start, you can thank hk for completing the concept. There are two distinct planes. The plane of the left wrist cock and the plane of the right wrist bend. You can swing on one or the other, switch from one to the other, or swing on both simultaneously.
And then there's the most important plane - the sweetspot plane, which, unlike those two, doesn't change orientation or completely disappear like they do. Hogan just put an upper bound on the club head plane with his pane of glass, which even he shattered in the finish.
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