Im going from memory but in the Hogan Mystique coffee table book, didnt Ken Venturi says something about Hogan making a conscious effort to attain a similar look to what Kev is describing with his elbows? Elbows pointing down and a 90 degree elbow bend. Here is Hogan displaying his left side goal post and a comfortable looking finish that he could probably hold for ever. Flat and fanned left foot too. Coincidence?
Im going from memory but in the Hogan Mystique coffee table book, didnt Ken Venturi says something about Hogan making a conscious effort to attain a similar look to what Kev is describing with his elbows? Elbows pointing down and a 90 degree elbow bend. Here is Hogan displaying his left side goal post and a comfortable looking finish that he could probably hold for ever. Flat and fanned left foot too. Coincidence?
Im going from memory but in the Hogan Mystique coffee table book, didnt Ken Venturi says something about Hogan making a conscious effort to attain a similar look to what Kev is describing with his elbows? Elbows pointing down and a 90 degree elbow bend. Here is Hogan displaying his left side goal post and a comfortable looking finish that he could probably hold for ever. Flat and fanned left foot too. Coincidence?
I know Hogan set up with his elbows spread out . . . which contradicts what he said in 5 Lessons . . . . BUT go to the top and spread your elbows and watch what the shaft does . . .
Also that goal post deal is a big indicator of what happened thru the ball (unless it's faked at the end).
Look at the elbow here . . . down . .
Look at the elbow spread here . . . they spread so the dude doesn't crash the clubhead into the ground because he's disrupted the radius due to throwaway.
If Hogan is goalpost . . . this is foul pole position . . .
Check out Hogan Hinging vs. Vjay Swiveling . . . look at the resultant elbow positions . . . check out where his hands appear in frames 8, 9, 10 and 11 in the sequence vs. the above pic of vjay . . . is it any wonder why Vjay practices so much? Hogan controls the plane and the face . . . the face is not flashing and the the longitudinal center of gravity is laying on the plane the WHOLE WAY THOUGH from delivery to follow thru . . . beautiful. Much of Hogan's motion IMO is how well he moved the club on-plane. Efficency=beauty . . . check how his hand path is matching up down and thru . . . plane shifts are hazardous . . . minimal shifting going on here. Check frame 9 . . . wedge alignments back up and in on plane. The integrity of his Right Forearm Flying Wedge still maintained as the hands disappear thru his body but the clubhead is still out . . . no slingy swiveling thru the ball . . on-plane hinging. This is how a golf club looks being moved down out and forward back up and in on plane . . . awesome. Done with a busted up set of wheels to boot.
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Great pictures of Hogan. The key to this drill for me has been the on plane movement of the club from followthrough to finish.
I never focused on this part of the swing before, what a huge difference it makes.
For me, with my left foot addressed rather square to the Base Line, I cant hold my Finish for a long time, even if Im just posing, without some stress on my left calf and knee. So my body wont let me do it, risk a knee twist for a real golf shot. It protects me by spinning the left foot and bending the left knee. When I stand normally, my feet are splayed out a fair bit, British Army style. We're all a bit different. Two feet held square to the line is kind of in vogue these days, ok for some maybe but Tiger for one is now a little more splayed with the left according to Golf Digest. I like the Knudson deal for determining how much you should do it.
The right foot I guess would be the same deal but with different objectives, intentions. I like Mikes "to what end" observation above.
Damn O.B. you are awesome! I used to have both feet flared out about 20 degrees (from S&T days). After reading yours and Kevin's posts I decided to experiment with the left foot. I moved it out an additional 20 degrees or so. Presto! Perfect, balanced finish, facing the target exactly. I could stand there all day if I wanted to. Thanks brutha!
Thats great GF but the thanks belongs to George Knudson who's game was in large measure an homage to Mr. Hogan.
Knudson was very Pivot centric, hence the belt buckle facing the hole exactly business. I believe that though he taught Pivot to Hands, his hands in his own swing were "educated", in our terms. I dunno. Either way his insights into the Pivot are truly amazing. Who knows, maybe he had a little help or inside info from his practice partner, Hogan. They'd travel together occasionally. Ive read of them going down to Seminole together in the late winter to ready themselves for Augusta. Who knows?
If only George had written a Hogan book. I bet Lorne Rubenstein knows a few stories. He co wrote Knudson's book and was quite close to him, I believe.
Here is an excerpt from The Natural Golf Swing, by George Knudson. Some of it will seem familiar to us, some in stark contrast to what we might subscribe to. But an interesting and informative account from a man who was a true seeker, very thoughtful and played with the best. Sadly, he left us far too early.
I love your "Efficiency = beauty", thing. I dont fully understand the strange hold Hogan's motion has over me. Perhaps this is it. With a fair dose of Lag, the secret of golf. Balance too. Heck, the guy had it all.
In frame 11 it looks like we see Hogans elbow appearing behind his body. Is that a bit of chicken wing? Like maybe he is playing a little hold off here? What do you think? Im thinking that for a driver say, you'd see his hands before his elbow. Elbow positions revealing release types again? Or should I say "overtaking types"? I dunno. One thing is for sure if it is his elbow, he is doing it intentionally or it is symptomatic of something else he is doing intentionally.
Ok O.B. Thank you and George Knudson. I still have to give you credit for bringing it to this forum. This website is my only golf resource so if I don't hear it here it doesn't exist. Too much bad info out there in golfdom
I love your "Efficiency = beauty", thing. I dont fully understand the strange hold Hogan's motion has over me. Perhaps this is it. With a fair dose of Lag, the secret of golf. Balance too. Heck, the guy had it all.
In frame 11 it looks like we see Hogans elbow appearing behind his body. Is that a bit of chicken wing? Like maybe he is playing a little hold off here? What do you think? Im thinking that for a driver say, you'd see his hands before his elbow. Elbow positions revealing release types again? Or should I say "overtaking types"? I dunno. One thing is for sure if it is his elbow, he is doing it intentionally or it is symptomatic of something else he is doing intentionally.
It is a result of the club going back up and in on plane . . . there a degrees of that elbow deal . . . if the club continues to "lay on the plane" the arms don't get lifted up off the body . . . check frame 6 vs 12 . . . the hands are basically at the same spot in relation to the body. Slightly higher in 12 because he has pushed the hips forward and up . . but just imagine the plane board being there in this golf swing . . . it would just ride the plane . . . his components comply to the plane . . . that ain't chicken wangy that's on plane mechanics and a hand path that isn't deviating. When you look at swings down the line pay attention to where the hands "enter" the body on the downstroke and exit the body on the thru side . . .you'd get a feel for what kind of shifting is going on . . .
YAWSEERRZZZZZ . . . . . Look at the exit here . . . .
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