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Old 11-16-2008, 09:53 PM
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Originally Posted by YodasLuke View Post
Homer audio-
"...no point in 4 Barrel Swinging."
"...no real advantage..."
"If you try to exceed Momentum Transfer, it will resist."
What will resist?

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Old 11-16-2008, 10:07 PM
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Right Arm it or Right Arm and Left Arm it....
Originally Posted by YodasLuke View Post
Homer audio-
"...no point in 4 Barrel Swinging."
"...no real advantage..."
"If you try to exceed Momentum Transfer, it will resist."
With Ted's comment above....I would go to the Youtube recording of Homer talking about right arm swinging (from the thread "HK's Right Arm Swing Recommendation) and how it has more power than left arm swinging. I would say it goes against the above comment on 4 barrel swinging. Unless, what Homer is saying you could right arm swing and not have to add the left arm. Tom Tomasello taught both....a true right arm swing and a left forearm and right forearm version of swinging the club. Reference Tommy's Chapter 5 video on "Power". I believe you just need to comply with the three imperatives and three essentials and you will do well.

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Old 11-16-2008, 10:20 PM
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Originally Posted by Delaware Golf View Post
With Ted's comment above....I would go to the Youtube recording of Homer talking about right arm swinging (from the thread "HK's Right Arm Swing Recommendation) and how it has more power than left arm swinging. I would say it goes against the above comment on 4 barrel swinging. Unless, what Homer is saying you could right arm swing and not have to add the left arm. Tom Tomasello taught both....a true right arm swing and a left forearm and right forearm version of swinging the club. Reference Tommy's Chapter 5 video on "Power".

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It's not "Ted's comment", although I'm happy to contribute in making the post. They are, however, quotes from Homer.

I've shown great restraint in making "comments", since the "libraries" comment.
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Old 11-16-2008, 11:01 PM
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Advantage with the Right Arm...
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Homer audio-
"...no point in 4 Barrel Swinging."
"...no real advantage..."
"If you try to exceed Momentum Transfer, it will resist."
It's interesting that Tomasello found the advantage.

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Old 11-16-2008, 11:25 PM
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Homer audio-
"...no point in 4 Barrel Swinging."
"...no real advantage..."
"If you try to exceed Momentum Transfer, it will resist."
Since 4 Barrel Swinging must include right arm thrust....what about Homer's comments in the "Homer Notes"....

Left Arm or Right Arm - If the Right Arm Drive propels the Left Arm
Lever Assemblies, it is still a Left Arm Stroke because the center of
the Clubhead Arc is the Left Shoulder. It is merely Right Arm Powered. But - if the center of the Clubhead Arc is at the Right Elbow, then it is a true Right Arm Stroke, the Bat. Right Arm thrust can add considerable yardage for an out and out Swinger, provided its tendency toward Angled Hinging is recognized. Pivot Thrust can add about half as much increase in yardage for an out and out Hitter provided its tendency toward Horizontal Hinging is recognize.

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Old 11-17-2008, 12:58 AM
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DG - you wrote-: "Left Arm or Right Arm - If the Right Arm Drive propels the Left Arm Lever Assemblies, it is still a Left Arm Stroke because the center of the Clubhead Arc is the Left Shoulder."

Under what conditions does the right arm propel the left arm lever assemblies? Are you describing a swing variant where the right arm releases PA#4 - as an alternative to a pivot-driven release of PA#4 (in HK's words "the left arm is blasted off the chest wall when the pivot subsides")? Or, are you describing a swing action where the pivot-drive releases PA#4 but the right arm supplies supplementary power to the swing by an active release of PA#1 at a certain time point during the downswing?

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Old 11-17-2008, 01:51 AM
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DG - you wrote-: "Left Arm or Right Arm - If the Right Arm Drive propels the Left Arm Lever Assemblies, it is still a Left Arm Stroke because the center of the Clubhead Arc is the Left Shoulder."

Under what conditions does the right arm propel the left arm lever assemblies? Are you describing a swing variant where the right arm releases PA#4 - as an alternative to a pivot-driven release of PA#4 (in HK's words "the left arm is blasted off the chest wall when the pivot subsides")? Or, are you describing a swing action where the pivot-drive releases PA#4 but the right arm supplies supplementary power to the swing by an active release of PA#1 at a certain time point during the downswing?

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Those comments are coming from HK...not me. I would suggest you watch Tomasello's "Letter series #2 video" and Tommy will give a visual demonstration of the release.

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Old 11-17-2008, 10:49 AM
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Originally Posted by Jeff View Post
DG - you wrote-: "Left Arm or Right Arm - If the Right Arm Drive propels the Left Arm Lever Assemblies, it is still a Left Arm Stroke because the center of the Clubhead Arc is the Left Shoulder."

Under what conditions does the right arm propel the left arm lever assemblies? Are you describing a swing variant where the right arm releases PA#4 - as an alternative to a pivot-driven release of PA#4 (in HK's words "the left arm is blasted off the chest wall when the pivot subsides")? Or, are you describing a swing action where the pivot-drive releases PA#4 but the right arm supplies supplementary power to the swing by an active release of PA#1 at a certain time point during the downswing?

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How do you have, "magic of the right forearm", and not actively use the right arm?
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Old 11-17-2008, 11:13 AM
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The swinging left arm, right arm role/relationship is the most confusing aspect of TGM IMO. We need a way of explaining these relationships in easy to understand terms so that any idiot can understand it (ahem, that includes me ) . The more clearly we state it, the less uncertainty, the less uncertainty the less room for criticism of TGM as our audience expands.
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Old 11-17-2008, 12:22 PM
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DG

I have watched hat TT letter video.

It seems clear to me that he is using a triple barel swinging action - 1:2:3.

He states that he throws the right arm from the top in a push action stroke. That represents an active release of PA#1. He states that the body must be reactive to the right arm throw action and follow the throw action (and not lead the throw action) - see comments at 8:00 minutes, 9:07 minutes and 11;20 minutes. That means that he does not use a pivot-diven stroke action to induce release of PA#4. The left arm is propelled forward by the right arm throw action and its push force at pressure point #1. Note that he uses a start up swivel action of the left hand, which is only compatible with swinging (and not hitting where the clubface continuously faces the ball druing the takeaway). Then his right arm throw action induces a passive release of PA#2 via centrifugal action (rather than an axehandle technique of radial force being applied against pressure point #3).

Do you agree with my description - which is a triple barrel right arm swinging action and not a four barrel swinging action?

mb6606

I thought that the "magic of the right forearm" refers to its directional qualities of getting the clubshaft to remain on-plane, which can occur in a triple barrel 4:2:3 swinging action (which doesn't involve active right elbow straightening). Where does it state in TGM that it only applies to an active push release of PA#1?
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