Plane Shifts

[O.B.Left]

I would submit that it is tracing IN 3 DIMENSIONS though. You CAN trace the plane line or cover the visual equivalent AND shift the plane angle all over the place . . . that's where pivot training comes in.

Absolutely!

[O.B.Left]

Gentlemen,

Does a Plane shift mean that it's a Pivot Controlled Hands Procedure?

Happy Queen Victoria' Birth-Day

Vickie is a little besot but she says not necessarily.

[Daryl]

Hmm? I would think that Shifting Planes during the Downstroke in Alignment Golf means that the Hands must aim at one point (or trace one line) arrive on the Second Plane, then aim at the Plane Line for the final Delivery.

If the Hands aren't aiming/tracing/pointing/covering, during the First Downstroke Plane until they reach the Second Plane, then aren't they just being controlled by the Pivot?

Is it that they start aiming when they reach the Second Plane?

The Hands can only point to one plane-line at a time, right?

Clear the Fog. Sorry to be so dense but I'm missing something?

[12 piece bucket]

Hmm? I would think that Shifting Planes during the Downstroke in Alignment Golf means that the Hands must aim at one point (or trace one line) arrive on the Second Plane, then aim at the Plane Line for the final Delivery.

If the Hands aren't aiming/tracing/pointing/covering, during the First Downstroke Plane until they reach the Second Plane, then aren't they just being controlled by the Pivot?

Is it that they start aiming when they reach the Second Plane?

The Hands can only point to one plane-line at a time, right?

Clear the Fog. Sorry to be so dense but I'm missing something?

You can "think" or "believe" or "have your procedure" be tracing but if you got a dookyball pivot forget about it.

example . . . go to top and then "stand up" what does the shaft do? go to top and add some waist bend ala Eldrick what does the shaft do? You can have your mind in your hands all you want but if you are doing some whacky stuff with the pivot your hands got no chance. I promise you Eldrick is very aware of his hands . . . but that ain't overcoming all that bobbing and standing up. Forces too strong to over come.

Like Homer said "it's all important . . . monitor everything."

[O.B.Left]

Zone 1 problems, brother we all got 'em and bad. From World number 1 on down.
Nice observation.

Daryl I'm thinking you could do an experiment with some lasers or flashlights or something and observe how the pivot and plane shift effect your Tracing or what ever it is you Swingers dudes do.

[O.B.Left]

Hmm? I would think that Shifting Planes during the Downstroke in Alignment Golf means that the Hands must aim at one point (or trace one line) arrive on the Second Plane, then aim at the Plane Line for the final Delivery.

If the Hands aren't aiming/tracing/pointing/covering, during the First Downstroke Plane until they reach the Second Plane, then aren't they just being controlled by the Pivot?

Is it that they start aiming when they reach the Second Plane?

The Hands can only point to one plane-line at a time, right?

Clear the Fog. Sorry to be so dense but I'm missing something?

1-L-18 " Changing the Plane Angle has no effect on the Plane Line".

My favourite animation and still buried somewhere in the video vault around here somewhere, hopefully. Try finding it, I love the dang thing. Basically you can shift all you want but one end of the club must point at the line for you to be "on plane".

So to be "on plane" does not necessarily mean one singular plane. If you cant find the animation get back to me and Ill walk you through a Vulcan mind experiment on it.

[12 piece bucket]

Here's a Turned Shoulder Plane-ish shift to a Hands Only Plane-ish shift. We don't have the next frame but it probably stays on the hands only plane-ish plane . . . . so MAJOR plane angle shift here . . .




Here's a Plane LINE and ANGLE Shift . . . But he shifts the line out and STAYS on the "shifted" line and Plane Angle.

[12 piece bucket]

Now right down out and forward back up and in on the "shifted" plane angle/line . . .

[12 piece bucket]

"faders" but look at the difference in the clubfaces clubhead location etc. . . .

[Yoda]

You can "think" or "believe" or "have your procedure" be tracing but if you got a dookyball pivot forget about it.

example . . . go to top and then "stand up" what does the shaft do? go to top and add some waist bend ala Eldrick what does the shaft do? You can have your mind in your hands all you want but if you are doing some whacky stuff with the pivot your hands got no chance. I promise you Eldrick is very aware of his hands . . . but that ain't overcoming all that bobbing and standing up. Forces too strong to over come.

Like Homer said "it's all important . . . monitor everything."

Thanks!