Eldrick Picture..good?bad? depends?

[JTillery]

"Plus, isn't the head drop just a consequence of starting the DS with a lower body/hips move, which moves the left hip nearer the target, weight more on left foot/leg, and with intention of keeping the upper body cog or head somewhat fixed, your head has to move down or spine tilt away from target, hence move your head down?"

This is a good observation. Tigers grip was strengthened, and having a strong and level left wrist is an awkward combo if you haven't tried it. Im not endorsing this theory necessarily, but there is no point of setting the radius via the level left wrist if you have no intention of maintaining that radius, or especially, if you plan to hold the face....then you need it for support. Is that the best plan? who knows, certainly not our LBG way or Homer's way, but that's the defense.
Secondly, Brian is right here....it's impossible for your head not to go down if you shift weight totally to your left leg via hip slide while maintaining a centered head. The more centered the player and less the "leaner" the less you'll see it. (Nicklaus/Gay vs. Nelson/Trevino/D.Johnson). Like it or hate it, the vertical adds snap. Consistent??? Make your own decision, but it's happening everywhere. No one told them to do it until maybe recently. We could put pictures up all day of guy's heads going down then up, down then staying there with lean, barely down and barely up. Hundreds and hundreds of victories and millions and millions of dollars also........kind of hard to call it wrong. In line with TGM, no. Ideal for consistency? you tell me.....but outright wrong?????? Would the other make them better, or would it have made them people you've never heard of? Don't know

[MizunoJoe]

Witcha! But does that make it all better?

The delay of wristcock release is better because of the fact that the maximum clubhead speed due to the #2 angle is attained almost instantly after the left wrist starts to uncock. After that, the speed from PA #2 decreases, that is, in every Swing, the clubhead is slowing down at impact. Therefore, the closer to impact you release #2, the less time there is for the clubhead to slow down. The late release and the the sweep release have the same max clubhead speed shortly after their respective release points(assuming equal handspeed and wristcock), but, because the clubhead doesn't have as much time to slow down, the late release gives more speed at impact.

[JTillery]

Another good point. However, if speed were the only consideration, the Happy Gilmore would be even better. Do you feel that there is no such thing as too much lag or too deep? What if the player can't catch up?

[12 piece bucket]

Another good point. However, if speed were the only consideration, the Happy Gilmore would be even better. Do you feel that there is no such thing as too much lag or too deep? What if the player can't catch up?

there's accumulator lag...then there's clubhead lag....don't always equate .....

[JTillery]

Correct. We are dealing with more than speed though, with a clubface, ball on ground, needing certain shapes trajectories and distances..............and there are more contributors to speed than when the left wrist uncocks. It is a big player though, and probably gets alot more attention because its more visible and measurable on video.

[O.B.Left]

The delay of wristcock release is better because of the fact that the maximum clubhead speed due to the #2 angle is attained almost instantly after the left wrist starts to uncock. After that, the speed from PA #2 decreases, that is, in every Swing, the clubhead is slowing down at impact. Therefore, the closer to impact you release #2, the less time there is for the clubhead to slow down. The late release and the the sweep release have the same max clubhead speed shortly after their respective release points(assuming equal handspeed and wristcock), but, because the clubhead doesn't have as much time to slow down, the late release gives more speed at impact.

Interesting stuff MJ .

Is this also true in terms of club head speed in general as opposed just to the clubhead speed derived from #2? If so I didn't know that! What about max radius vs less than ? The swinger not being subject to the slowing effect etc ? Although I never did wrap my head around that one.

Homer I believe stated that the club head slowed post low point but slowing prior to impact would be new I think. Or do you mean a slowing in the rate of acceleration as opposed to a general slowing down?

[O.B.Left]

..............and there are more contributors to speed than when the left wrist uncocks.

Would you consider some thrust from the right side ? Maybe Im seeing things.

I know, his Release Point is really late but Ive seen that in some Hitters . Swingers start down, maybe even a shoulder turn throw and then blammo a right arm throw like skipping stones. The elbow can get pretty deep before it actually crosses over to the pulling side of the ball.

What happens after that photo of his Release Point? What does he release? How? Simu or Sequenced might be a tip off... Where's his right elbow?

I don't think slow mo will show any Sequenced. Might be wrong though. Heck what do I know about what he's doing.

[12 piece bucket]

Would you consider some thrust from the right side ? Maybe Im seeing things.

I know, his Release Point is really late but Ive seen that in some Hitters . Swingers start down, maybe even a shoulder turn throw and then blammo a right arm throw like skipping stones. The elbow can get pretty deep before it actually crosses over to the pulling side of the ball.

What happens after that photo of his Release Point? What does he release? How? Simu or Sequenced might be a tip off... Where's his right elbow?

I don't think slow mo will show any Sequenced. Might be wrong though. Heck what do I know about what he's doing.

Somewhere in the book I think it says something to the effective the more "snap" release or trigger delay the more the release by necessity will approach simultaneous....I just wonder how you get to the ball from there...kinda like you put yourself in that position and did your look look look and said man what do I gotta do to hit it from here??? seems complicated....but maybe not as complicated as marriage was

[brianid]

Somewhere in the book I think it says something to the effective the more "snap" release or trigger delay the more the release by necessity will approach simultaneous....I just wonder how you get to the ball from there...kinda like you put yourself in that position and did your look look look and said man what do I gotta do to hit it from here??? seems complicated....but maybe not as complicated as marriage was

Isn't it just rolling PA3 from there?

[O.B.Left]

Somewhere in the book I think it says something to the effective the more "snap" release or trigger delay the more the release by necessity will approach simultaneous....I just wonder how you get to the ball from there...kinda like you put yourself in that position and did your look look look and said man what do I gotta do to hit it from here??? seems complicated....but maybe not as complicated as marriage was

Are you sure you meant to say simultaneous?

Totally agree with the last bit .....gotta be aligned at your Release Point in a manner consistent with what you are going to fire and have it all pointed in the right direction. Lynns wooden golfers flail is the perfect tool to highlight the different options. It rules out horizontal left hand motion , guarantying Rhythm .