The Most Important Illustration in the History of Golf

[JTillery]

Btw, I understand that the ground is providing the resistance to make this possible, and would agree with wedgy that you're not gonna pull that position of the shaft off with a driver......

[wedgy]

There's no doubt that photos of blurry shafts being madly bent are partly due to the cameras inability to keep up.........there's also no doubt that the clubhead will get "slung" back to an inline condition or beyond..... at SOME point through the strike.

However, go watch Boo in swingvision on youtube.......immediately after separation I don't think anyone could dispute that the clubhead is lagging the shaft.

IMHO

Caused by the clubhead hitting the ground, no surprise. That is not the same as what Daryl said, i guess the shaft is going to be ahead of the clubhead in that instance it has no choice.

[Yoda]

. . . when the fact's from many different scientific studies are against your assertion of a lagging clubhead at the impact interval either produce data to refute them or just do what you did go into denial.

If you can produce just one ligit study or photo at the impact interval of a lagging clubhead with the shaft in a reverse c position i will admit your correct. Good luck.

Wedgy,

I have no problem with your prior post, and I know your quote above was directed at Daryl, not me. That said . . .

Please don't think you have delivered any sort of 'revelation' in this thread. I don't know how old you are, but I was teaching the scientific "C" Shaft bend you have correctly identified to anybody who would listen for more than thirty years. My guess is that it was before you were born.

You're making a big deal of this point -- and it is a big deal -- but, trust me, it really is a very old deal. It ain't some sort of 'new science' junk.

What's happening here is that the the Sweet Spot is maintaining its straight line and in-line relationship with the #3 Pressure Point (first joint of the right hand index finger). The inertia of the Clubshaft prevents it from keeping up, so it bends forward. However, the stress in the #3 Pressure Point (that senses the Clubshaft stress) remains the same at Impact as it was in Release, regardless of the Clubshaft deflection.



Like I said . . .

Old news . . .

By at least 30 years.

New subject, please, unless you have something to add to this one.

[O.B.Left]

The photo's have been explained the camera's that were used are not capable of capturing what is happening without distorting what is happening with the shaft that affects the clubhead at the impact interval.

All the data from places like titleist and other's show the shaft deflecting the clubhead in a leading position at the impact interval no question about it. You think shaft manufacturers know about this in their process of developing their products, ya think?

You misinterpret my post. I see the shaft bending, the head in front of the mid section of the shaft too. Read it again my lbg friend.

P.S. Yoda you've been "reading my mail" as they say .....thats the three way bend I was referring to if you include toe down, but you knew that, again.

[Daryl]

Is there a misunderstanding?

Wedgy Claims: that Clubhead Lag is an "Urban Legend", a "Myth", an "Illusion" and impossible to create. He further claims that all of the golf club "Shaft manufacturers" have a built-in "Fairy" that causes the club shaft to bend in a "C" shape before impact.

[wedgy]

Is there a misunderstanding?

Wedgy Claims: that Clubhead Lag is an "Urban Legend", a "Myth", an "Illusion" and impossible to create. He further claims that all of the golf club "Shaft manufacturers" have a built-in "Fairy" that causes the club shaft to bend in a "C" shape before impact.

Strawman argument. Total misrepresentation of what i said. Never let the facts get in the way of a good story, right Daryl.

[Daryl]

Strawman argument. Total misrepresentation of what i said. Never let the facts get in the way of a good story, right Daryl.

Not at all Wedgy. You want me to read a 220 document which supposedly supports your point of view because you have NOOO clue what you're talking about. You're an idiot.

[Yoda]

Is there a misunderstanding?

Wedgy Claims: that Clubhead Lag is an "Urban Legend", a "Myth", an "Illusion" and impossible to create.

The Clubhead Lag is Sweetspot Lag. That is, the Sweetspot maintaining its in-line relationship with the #3 Pressure Point.

Clubhead Lag is NOT Clubshaft Lag! As usual, people are putting words in Homer Kelley's mouth. HE understood this fact. Apparently, some still don't.

This is not difficult, people. It's old news and well known. The Clubshaft bends forward into Impact. There is still Clubhead (Sweetspot) Lag (of the #3 Pressure Point and its Lag Pressure Point Pressure).

Let's play nice now, okay?

[chipingguru]

How the heck can Tom Watson's swing get better looking every year? Did the man find a time machine?

[O.B.Left]

Well I keep learning things. Even this discussion was good. Thanks to all.

Forward shaft bend , lagging clubhead......who knew?