That last photo sure looks like he's going to .........CP, or swing left or .........Angled hinge on the elbow plane, whatever. Im throwing around terms that I really dont understand here. ..........cept for the last bit maybe.
Have a look at this . . . Palmer turned his shoulders as steep as anybody ever . . . this is a DRIVER . . .
I think you'll find that Palmer actually exits LOWER than Hogan . . . due to the fact that he doesn't continue to release his hips forward and up . . . which would raise the shaft up more . . . staying bent over is going to make the club exit lower . . . but the club ain't working out away from him.
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Last edited by 12 piece bucket : 12-30-2010 at 02:32 AM.
I tried to capture the butt end of the club on each frame. Some of the frames are interpolated blurs and useless, so the precision is probably so-so. However I am confident that the overall trend representative.
The hand path basically shows that Hogan "swings left" from end to end - whith his hands.
I was also planning to capture the clubhead path but that is impossible from the videos I have excamined.
The ball goes stright down the middle of the frame, it looks like a very straight shot that dies to the right. You can see the swing here:
In case anyone wonders about the thumbnail; is still a mystery to me how to upload photos here at LBG.
In case anyone wonders about the thumbnail; It is still a mystery to me how to upload photos here at LBG.
If I was a bit better equipped with editing tools I would have drawn an arrow from Hogans right shoulder down to his right hand.
During a major part of the down stroke Hogan's right shoulder is very close to being on the same plane as the hand path. Thus, he can thrust his hands through the path (or keep them there) by drive loading or extencior action.
TGM emphasise the right threeceps as THE muscle that operates the drive loading or extencior action. Personally I believe that there is a litte more involved, but I don't think the geometrical relationship betwen Hogan's left hand and shoulder is a coincidence. A straight push will help him hold the hand path.
As we saw in the picture in my post above, Hogan's shoulder path crosses over to the outside of the hand path towards and past impact. It's a physical fact that when club picks up speed it will impose a centrifugal force on the hands that will tend to push the hands outside their path. This is very evident in Ricky Fowler's low point position, but not so with Hogan. He holds the form exceptionally well through impact. When his right shoulder gets outside the hand path, his pushing with the right tricep will to a certain extent oppose the tendency of clubhead inertia to pull the hands outside the plane - and still drive the hands down their path.
Hogan's hand path is outside-in past impact in spite of CF trying to throw the hands out. THis means that Hogan's application of force around impact and past impace is even more outside-in than the hand path shows.
Let the record show that Daryl added a cigarette and aunt antenna to Mr Hogan's head in that final frame there.........
Daryl, you wanna stay late after class again???? Hand me that sling shot too there fella .... and do you have any caps that dont have a propeller on the top?
I think part of the difference between Hogan and Fowler is best understood in face on view.
I was going to borrow a couple face on images that wer posted earlier. But where have they gone bucket?
Anyway,
As Daryl clearly shows, Hogan and Arnold keeps zone 1 going while Fowler blasts his hands past the pivot. Application of Accumulator#4 makes a difference the hand path and also to what you can do with the pivot post impact.
In regard to Right Shoulder Motion the more I look at good golfers the more I see a shared alignment ......namely the Right Shoulder and the Hands on the same Inclined Plane in Startdown. Despite where the Hands and Right Shoulder were respectively at Top.
For some it doesnt last very long as they drop their Hands down to a lower plane , seemingly blowing right through this alignment, for others especially those who started with this alignment at Top they can ride it for a while until their Right Shoulder falls behind and goes its own direction somewhat......above Plane post Release.
Im talking TSP here of course. Look at how high Palmers right shoulder is at Top, as Bucket pointed out. Wow, thats beyond Rotated isnt it? Which is undefined perhaps in TGM. And still it would seem he gets his Right Shoulder and Hands on the same Inclined Plane in Startdown. Or does he even locate a super high super weird TSP at Top?
See 10-13-C for a procedure where Rotated can locate "a" TSP Angle at Top followed with a move of the Right Shoulder On Plane in Stardown. Thereby taking the Hands down that same plane , the "mechanical advantage" of the TSP range of angles. The Pivot via the Right Shoulder taking the power package down in Startdown.
Or ......Im seeing things that arent there. Thats the other possibility. But I see it everywhere now, Jack, Arnie , Ben......
And of special note ....The Left ARm is not on this same Plane , just the Right Shoulder , #3pp , Sweetspot and golf ball. And its still Hands to Pivot , in that though the Right Shoulder is dragging the Hands down.......the Hands are directing, seeking out the Plane Line. It is the Hands that complete this journey while the Right Shoulder falls off directionally. I know this doesnt square with the feeling you get when Angled Hinging on the Elbow Plane but ...... The Hands do overtake the Pivot its just a matter of when. I sometimes for some shots, where I delay the overtaking , have a feeling for keeping the hanky tucked under my left side but ....thats just one type of shot.. for me anyways.
I think part of the difference between Hogan and Fowler is best understood in face on view.
I was going to borrow a couple face on images that wer posted earlier. But where have they gone bucket?
Anyway,
As Daryl clearly shows, Hogan and Arnold keeps zone 1 going while Fowler blasts his hands past the pivot. Application of Accumulator#4 makes a difference the hand path and also to what you can do with the pivot post impact.
gone??? That sucks? Look at how closed Fowler's shoulders are comparatively.
Since we're talking Hogan startdown, elbow plane etc
Homer at one point discussed the laid off look some really fine golfers get at Top. Well I guess its not really at Top but in the very first stages of Startdown. A little wag of the club to the left. I dont think Homer mentioned Hogan in particular but he tossed around the idea that it was an early adoption of the Elbow Plane alignments .... briefly off plane in appearance but soon to look on plane once the shift to the elbow plane is complete.
The thing about this photo that makes it really look off is his footline which shouldnt be assumed to be an indicator of where the Plane Line is. Foot line and Plane Line are not one and the same. Another possibility is a fade shot perhaps. Not saying Hogan didnt get laid off , he did sometimes...
Food for thought. You wouldnt want to lay it off if like this if you're not a shifter downer, elbow planer . Thatd be just plane wrong.
Me I got a feeling his Right Elbow is tucking in Pitch style and wagging the club ....which is an early adoption of an elbow plane alignments....
3 different pivots . . . Hogan the most forward with the hips and shoulders open . . . . Palmer maintains his waist bend . . . Fowler tilts back some right shoulder works underneathish.
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