proper PP#4 feel

[BerntR]

I am not a TSP expert but I have to let the Left Arm fly earlier when I TSP than when I EP. I think the flatter inclined plane you use through impact the longer you can keep some of your PP#4 pressure. So I believe that an EP-er would typically drop the hankerchief later than a TSP-er. But you should know better than me how this works from the TSP side of things.

[Daryl]

Well, maybe if we consider that the #4 Accumulator stores potential power? Then we can consider storage, delivery and its Release.

It's labeled the #4 Accumulator because it's the least one used in Golf. No wonder, because it's the most difficult one to learn.

Releasing them to seek their in-line condition releases their stored potential. Varying the amount of out-of-line and/or the amount of muscular effort will vary the accumulation of Power that can be Released by the selected Triggering action.

“Left Arm Power” in any form or amount can still be considered #4 Accumulator Action. Otherwise it actually substitutes for the Pivot to introduce the circular motion required to produce Centrifugal Force.

[BerntR]

I believe it is written that Acc #4 is the master accumulator.

I don't agree that it's Accumulator #4 is the one that's least used. IMO it's the strongest and the most used one. I think Homer would have been more clear about that if he hadn't been blinded by his lever system which is totally unfit to model how the pivot produces power through the left arm. PP#4 is certainly the weakest pressure point but it aint pp#4 that makes Accumulator #4 fly.

[Daryl]

I believe it is written that Acc #4 is the master accumulator.

I don't agree that it's Accumulator #4 is the one that's least used. IMO it's the strongest and the most used one. I think Homer would have been more clear about that if he hadn't been blinded by his lever system which is totally unfit to model how the pivot produces power through the left arm. PP#4 is certainly the weakest pressure point but it aint pp#4 that makes Accumulator #4 fly.

Wow. Ok. I guess we all learn to get the job done in our own way.

[BerntR]

Daryl,

This isn't about method. This is about geometry.

If you feel a strong pull through your left arm when you swing - and I'm sure you do - there will be a significant part of the Accumulator #4 release that is caused by that pulling. Since your left shoulder is always pulling from a location that is ahead of the swing center this pulling doesn't only produce cf throwout but also has a linear component that speeds up the clubhead directly.

[Daryl]

You’re a little confused. When I swing the Club, I need Extensor Action to prevent the Left Arm from collapsing inward under the Load of the Pivots Force.

The Left Arm will stay pressed against the chest if the Right Shoulder moves at the same speed as the left shoulder around the Pivot Center. Unless the Left Arm is released from the chest, the Centripetal Center will not be established at the Left Shoulder and the Club will not be thrown out by Centrifugal Force. This Action is Triggered and typically, we use a Right Shoulder Throw to Release the Left Arm from the Chest.

The problem that most golfers and some professionals have is that they don't understand the Trigger and cannot perform the Action. Then, they are forced into substituting the Left Shoulder for the Pivot Center in order to Release the Clubhead into its own Orbit. Witness anyone who holds the head behind the Pivot Center at the Release Point and have their Left Shoulder in the Center of their Stance at Impact. Their Left Shoulders formed a dual function of Pivot Center and Left Arm Stroke Center. That's exactly what happens in your so called "Geometry", not mine.

While the "One" is being taught......


oh ya, here we go again.....


Look:


One of the true Masters of the Game


An Honest Swing


Ok, this guy knows a thing or two...Does anyone know who this guy is? Must be TGM.

[BerntR]

You're probably correct that I am confused. From time to time. But not about this.

Your cardinal error is that you believe the centripetal center is established at the left shoulder. That will happen only if you stop turning your shoulders and you will lose a lot of lag pressure in the proccess. Somehow I don't think that's what you're doing.

All these drawings that places the left shoulder as a center is terribly terribly misleading. It completely nullifies what you can achieve from torquing the shoulders around your swing axis.


In a human made golf stroke, the shoulder turn will always stay around 90 degree ahead of the club at impact - and on better golfers it will be even more since the shoulders tend to be a little open at impact. 90 degrees of rotational lag (the shoulder moving back as the club is moving left etc) is ideal as long as you only consider the left side of the body. This is something you can easily feel if you do some air swings with the left hand on the club only.

[airair]

Since air swings are mentioned, I think it's about time to let Kevin come in and make you two friends again.

[airair]

You’re a little confused. When I swing the Club, I need Extensor Action to prevent the Left Arm from collapsing inward under the Load of the Pivots Force.

The Left Arm will stay pressed against the chest if the Right Shoulder moves at the same speed as the left shoulder around the Pivot Center. Unless the Left Arm is released from the chest, the Centripetal Center will not be established at the Left Shoulder and the Club will not be thrown out by Centrifugal Force. This Action is Triggered and typically, we use a Right Shoulder Throw to Release the Left Arm from the Chest.

The problem that most golfers and some professionals have is that they don't understand the Trigger and cannot perform the Action. Then, they are forced into substituting the Left Shoulder for the Pivot Center in order to Release the Clubhead into its own Orbit. Witness anyone who holds the head behind the Pivot Center at the Release Point and have their Left Shoulder in the Center of their Stance at Impact. Their Left Shoulders formed a dual function of Pivot Center and Left Arm Stroke Center. That's exactly what happens in your so called "Geometry", not mine.

While the "One" is being taught......


oh ya, here we go again.....


Look:


One of the true Masters of the Game


An Honest Swing


Ok, this guy knows a thing or two...Does anyone know who this guy is? Must be TGM.

Who are these guys? 1-12:Seve?

[BerntR]

Since air swings are mentioned, I think it's about time to let Kevin come in and make you two friends again.

No worries. I like Daryl.