Awareness of TGM on tour?

[Thom]

Like Ben Doyle would say:

No no no noooooo.

David never carried around the book.

He carried ME around (and now 'consults' with me).

So is that where you got the concept of throwing the drunk guy off the shoulder from

....well I was pretty certain that you wrote that David Toms carried the book around with his notes in it. I must have mixed a couple of stories, sorry.
Is David Toms aware of the book and it's concepts or do you talk with him about his golfswing in other terms?

[jim_0068]

Wrong David...

DAVID LEADBETTER used to carry around the book with him at tour stops and had notes written in it. However you'll never hear him credit the machine.

[brianmanzella]

If I use a TGM term with David (not lag or hinge or some other corrupted by the teaching establishment term)...

...He rolls his eyes (at best).

I use all 'everyday' Manzella-ized terms.

[jim_0068]

I use all 'everyday' Manzella-ized terms.

Thats why i luv ya!

[Martee]

Read somewhere that leadbetter has actually required his instructor read TGM.

Most PGA golfers of the 80's had heard of it, if only because of Clamplett.

I know John Allen May in England used to wrtie about it in his monthly articles in mag and papers.

[Yoda]

Most PGA golfers of the 80's had heard of it, if only because of Clampett.

The fathers knew about The Golfing Machine.

The sons do not.

What's wrong with this picture?

Hint: It is not Homer Kelley's fault.

[Matt]

As far as the entire tour goes, I'd be willing to say most of the players have at least heard about the book in some form or another. Between Clampett, Doyle, O'Grady, etc, it'd be hard for them not to as least know that it's a golf instruction book.

That said, I know that Grant Waite is well aware of the book - he worked with Mac O'Grady in the mid-1990s, Ben Doyle in 2002-2003, and Chuck Evans in late 2003. When you talk to him about the golf stroke, he uses terms like Horizontal Hinging, Pressure Points, Flat Left Wrist, Straight Plane Line, Snap Release, Maximum Trigger Delay, etc. He's very attune to the terminology in the book. Unfortunately, he has moved on from the book due to it not improving his game. My take on it is that he received some faulty information and that certainly didn't help things.

He is now back in the O'Grady camp and for a number of reasons sees the book as "imcomplete" and as teaching "hook mechanics." Even so, he does apply parts of it to his game and certainly "talks the talk" when discussing it. He's as big of a "student of the game" as you will find on the tour. In my opinion, he sometimes overanalyzes things to the point where it paralyzes his game. He's so bent on hitting perfect shots that mishits will occasionally send him into a spiral for a few holes and cost him score-wise.

And when you miss the cut by a single shot and can go back and count four to five "giveaways" as he likes to call them...it's really too bad.

[hue]

He is now back in the O'Grady camp and for a number of reasons sees the book as "imcomplete" and as teaching "hook mechanics."

Does O'Grady ever allude to the parts that in his opinion make the book incomplete ? It is all very well making comments like that but does he ever go in to detail into the specifics to back up his comments.

[Matt]

What I meant is that Grant also feels the book is incomplete just like O'Grady does. Grant doesn't feel that it's specific enough; O'Grady expounds on it all by introducing a lot of "precise" angles that one should meet throughout the stroke. As I understood it, there is a lot of info on axis tilt and how the clubshaft should be oriented throughout the stroke.

[EdZ]

I don't think any tour player would argue against the three imperatives, and essentials (and many would do well to understand extensor action more fully). There is certainly a perception of it being 'too complex'. Case in point, when I recently followed Jamie Hullet at the Ultra Open I spoke with her mother who was following Jamie that day. When I mentioned TGM, she immediately said "oh, well Jamie likes to keep things simple, nothing too complex".

And therein lies the problem, and the 'art' of getting TGM out to the masses - right Brian

And some might consider that 'problem' quite an opportunity......