Help/Assistance Wanted

[BerntR]

So I figure you don't have a proper release and you haven't sorted out how to trap the ball in a manner that can produce a draw.

In that case I think you should focus on:

rope handling

sequenced release

dual horizontal hinging

These three combine very well. And you will find appropriate info about them her on LBG. You should practice the hinge action on short shots first to get a feel for it. And while you're at it you might as well try out the angled hinging and the vertical hinging as well. They have different rhythms and they all come in handy.

You may want to bring your club and your right elbow slightly closer to your body at address. This will give you some more lag to work with through the ball. Your pivot looks pretty good and ready for powerful ball striking.

[12 piece bucket]

I like the way your club moves dtl. But you got some issues with the way your hips work. Look at your head motion and you can kinda get a feel for it. Your head drop down ala Hogan and Tiger but you never get your hips forward and open and up like Eldrick and Hogan. See pic below. That deal with your right arm staying bent to me looks like a radius issue. Since your head has dropped you cant really stretch it out or you'll crash the ground behind the ball. Look at how far back your butt is compared to Hogan. your head ends up infront of your hips. So you got like reverse tilt. I'd like to see you a. load #2 (left wrist cock faster on the backstroke. b. get some standard knee action (see pics) c. Get the hips forward, open and up . . . . that will keep the face from flashing so much. Note how Snead's hands are more "crossed over" than Hogan and how much more forward and open Hogan is with his hips. You could try hitting some shots where you feel like you are looking underneath the ball through the shot. So your head stays back and your hips go forward and turn. Not how your right knee is so bent. That indicates that you are sliding the hips forward as the turn . . . . you're just turning. Note Snead's right knee compared to hogan . . . more bent . . . but he does have axis tilt more than you. You could put your head on a door frame and practice this. Also you could kinda stick a ball on a tee close to your right ankle . . . look at your foot work. It's like you are putting out a cigarette or squashing a roach. You kneed to feel like your right ankle is going to lay down on the ground via your hips going forward and streching out your right leg. Look at hogans foot work compared to your. . . that right leg tells a story of no forward and turning only. Note how hogan's right heel is LEADING . . . yours is popping up . . . due to how your lower half is working. All that being said . . . your club moves nice dtl. Arms work nice. Work on the pivot and you'll be nasty good. Should get that face to move more uniform and slow it down. Less variation in where your ball starts. Do you hit cuts when you miss it?

[O.B.Left]

Very interesting observation there Bucket. Nice.

Slice 'O Day, you're probably noticing a slightly different take on things around here than you are maybe reading in those other places. Your still bent right arm, your flat shoulder turn in Finish, versus the accent on radius, extension, plane line. If those things are by design that is. That first picture of Hogan is great eh? Thats what I want be like when I grow up.

I see the inside move after impact that I think Bucket is referring to as well. Your club shaft not pointing down the plane line, your arms not extending.

Not saying this is you but here is a common set of unfortunate events that can befall the guys who bend their plane line to the left:

-given a square clubface at separation they get a cut.
-the cut begets a subconscious flip which closes down the clubface and produces a straight shot but to the left, a pull. And weak one.
-which is fixed consciously (with the plane line) or , more often, subconsciously, by aiming out to right field. Leaving the guy with a sometimes straight but always weak shot courtesy of a mess of compensations.

Think of it in terms of the balls flight being the product of different forms of Thrust with different associated directional Vectors. In the ideal theses vectors though different are more focused. That is the best we can hope for. Compensations however de focus the vectors with ball flight ramifications.

Every golfer is subject to compensations similar to the above in some manner or other. The solution is to recognize what is required geometrically , where you comply and where you dont and then set about fixing them. Its always a guided journey as you need a second set of educated eyes. Quite frankly we just dont see or feel some of the wacky stuff we are up to. It sounds like a difficult diagnostic to make but in this regard Homer would probably point out something like:

"Well, the Plane Line governs the ClubHEAD line of flight and the ClubFACE governs the balls line of flight".

So fix your plane line compliance (clubshaft), your HInge Action (clubface) and given proper Rhythm (clubhead) you'll be hitting bullets in no time. You'll notice that everything in brackets put together comprises the entire golf club. So total control of those three items will give you total control of the golf club. Total control of the golf club will give you total control of the golf ball.

[12 piece bucket]

Very interesting observation there Bucket. Nice.

Slice 'O Day, you're probably noticing a slightly different take on things around here than you are maybe reading in those other places. Your still bent right arm, your flat shoulder turn in Finish, versus the accent on radius, extension, plane line. If those things are by design that is. That first picture of Hogan is great eh? Thats what I want be like when I grow up.

I see the inside move after impact that I think Bucket is referring to as well. Your club shaft not pointing down the plane line, your arms not extending.

Not saying this is you but here is a common set of unfortunate events that can befall the guys who bend their plane line to the left:

-given a square clubface at separation they get a cut.
-the cut begets a subconscious flip which closes down the clubface and produces a straight shot but to the left, a pull. And weak one.
-which is fixed consciously (with the plane line) or , more often, subconsciously, by aiming out to right field. Leaving the guy with a sometimes straight but always weak shot courtesy of a mess of compensations.

Think of it in terms of the balls flight being the product of different forms of Thrust with different associated directional Vectors. In the ideal theses vectors though different are more focused. That is the best we can hope for. Compensations however de focus the vectors with ball flight ramifications.

Every golfer is subject to compensations similar to the above in some manner or other. The solution is to recognize what is required geometrically , where you comply and where you dont and then set about fixing them. Its always a guided journey as you need a second set of educated eyes. Quite frankly we just dont see or feel some of the wacky stuff we are up to. It sounds like a difficult diagnostic to make but in this regard Homer would probably point out something like:

"Well, the Plane Line governs the ClubHEAD line of flight and the ClubFACE governs the balls line of flight".

So fix your plane line compliance (clubshaft), your HInge Action (clubface) and given proper Rhythm (clubhead) you'll be hitting bullets in no time. You'll notice that everything in brackets put together comprises the entire golf club. So total control of those three items will give you total control of the golf club. Total control of the golf club will give you total control of the golf ball.

I use this youtubedownloader deal . . . y'all should check it out you can download stuff off youtube to your 'puter . . . I step framed his stuff. From DTL his club moves NICE in my opinion. I would think this cat could hit the ball pretty much where he's looking if the face doesn't flap around.

If you watch his video his head drops pretty significantly a startdown . . . eldrick does this but he gets away with it because he keeps sliding his hips forward and turning 'em. this cat don't so his arms "shrink up" so he doesn't hit it fat. That'd be my take anyhow.

[drewitgolf]

I use this youtubedownloader deal . . . y'all should check it out you can download stuff off youtube to your 'puter . . . I step framed his stuff.

Where is this downloader Senior 12 Piece?

[O.B.Left]

I use this youtubedownloader deal . . . y'all should check it out you can download stuff off youtube to your 'puter . . . I step framed his stuff. From DTL his club moves NICE in my opinion. I would think this cat could hit the ball pretty much where he's looking if the face doesn't flap around.

If you watch his video his head drops pretty significantly a startdown . . . eldrick does this but he gets away with it because he keeps sliding his hips forward and turning 'em. this cat don't so his arms "shrink up" so he doesn't hit it fat. That'd be my take anyhow.

Ok just watched the DTL video and yes to my naked eye the shaft does look very good, like its pointing at the plane. REally nice. I thought Id see it moving more inside after looking at the first photo in Buckets post above. Apologies to you Slice Of d'Day.

Bucket, Drew, in general, lack of extension or radius..... Getting to Both Arms Straight, thrusting down and out towards the plane line post Low Point all the way up to and including Follow Through, it "completes" the Orbit right? 1-L-15. So is that Clubhead control then? In the trilogy of total control. Which reminds me I have to call my wife.

[12 piece bucket]

Where is this downloader Senior 12 Piece?

http://youtubedownloader.com/

may infect your 'puter now . . . but did good for me. you can download anything from youtube . . . convert to mp3/4 or whatever. It's free pretty neat program. you can get all that hogan video out there!

[slice_oftheday]

Bucket, BerntR, and O.B., thanks so much for the insight. What Bucket is saying about the hips and right heel makes a lot of sense. I ended up practicing a bit today on the chipping green trying to get comfortable with a basic motion stroke. I had that amazing "eureka" or epiphany moment after hitting a few with the #1 accumulator into the angled hinge. For the first time, my contact was in the center leaving marks there instead of off the toe, and I really felt the "Both arms straight" angled hinge release and the compression of the ball. My dispersion was tight and pretty accurate. Can't wait to get this out onto the range into acquired motion and full motion with the hips moving forward and out/trying to attack on the 4:30 line. I very much appreciate all of the help you guys have provided, and I'm going to take some video the next time I go out.

- Paul

[12 piece bucket]

Ok just watched the DTL video and yes to my naked eye the shaft does look very good, like its pointing at the plane. REally nice. I thought Id see it moving more inside after looking at the first photo in Buckets post above. Apologies to you Slice Of d'Day.

Bucket, Drew, in general, lack of extension or radius..... Getting to Both Arms Straight, thrusting down and out towards the plane line post Low Point all the way up to and including Follow Through, it "completes" the Orbit right? 1-L-15. So is that Clubhead control then? In the trilogy of total control. Which reminds me I have to call my wife.

When I look at these two pics I see Hogan STRETCHED OUT EVERYWHERE . . . look how "long" everything is. Right leg stretched out . . . left leg stretched out . . . even his chest and stomach are stretched out. . . .

The other cat looks "concave" everywhere . . . knee, chest, hips, arms all kinked in . .. like if you just took the dude and stretched him out . . . it'd be good. That club moves nice on plane I thought.

[O.B.Left]

Thats such a great photo of Hogan. Thanks for sharing what you see there, Bucket. Tell me if this is what you kinda mean pivot wise. The momentum of the passing power package or lever assembly or whatever pulls target wards while the head and diagonally braced left side resist and also extend (in a bend and extend manner) against the pull? How am I doing here?

Here is another fella, getting all stretched out. Anyone guess who this is? Crap Drew is gonna get this 1st crack at it I bet.


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