starting down for swingers

[okie]

Tom...Tom Who? That is what the man said there can be no doubt! Just one of the many ways to do it.

[O.B.Left]

Per Tom Tomasello's instruction...Tom says Homer is telling you how to start the club down in section "6-B-2-0 The Second Power Accumulator"...where Homer says, "Centrifugal Force, Accumulator #1, and the muscles of both forearms, any--or all--are available to actuate this assembly."

Reference Tom's Australia video series for the muscles of both forearms version of swinging and the Tomasello Letter video series for the Accumulator #1 version.

For a Centrifugal Force version, utilize trigger types 10-20-C or 10-20-E. 10-20-C per Jodie Mudd and 10-20-E per Sam Snead.

DG

DG, wow Tom T. suggested that "actuating", firing, the #2 Accumulator should be considered part of STARTDOWN generally speaking? That would make every shot , by definition, a Full Sweep release would it not? I can see it for a short soft high wedge or something but not for full power.

In a world filled with golfers who hit from the Top, Id say Homer was more about storing the Accumulated power (#2 Angle) for a later Release. To say nothing of Float Loading during Startdown where even more #2 Angle, power, is Accumulated.

Using 'both forearms" at the same time to fire #2? Never noticed that before. Interesting. Trying to think of the appropriate Throw combinations for that one. A left wrist throw and a right wrist throw , together? I dunno. That would make for a good thread, a Release thread though.

[Delaware Golf]

DG, wow Tom T. suggested that "actuating", firing, the #2 Accumulator should be considered part of STARTDOWN generally speaking? That would make every shot , by definition, a Full Sweep release would it not? I can see it for a short soft high wedge or something but not for full power.

In a world filled with golfers who hit from the Top, Id say Homer was more about storing the Accumulated power (#2 Angle) for a later Release. To say nothing of Float Loading during Startdown where even more #2 Angle, power, is Accumulated.

Using 'both forearms" at the same time to fire #2? Never noticed that before. Interesting. Trying to think of the appropriate Throw combinations for that one. A left wrist throw and a right wrist throw , together? I dunno. That would make for a good thread, a Release thread though.

Read the 7th edition and see where Homer references the term "Full Power".

DG

[EdZ]

That is a fantastic position, one that every swinger should use as a reference.

One of the key reasons being a proper left hand grip, taken at fix.

[O.B.Left]

Thanks EdZ

[Delaware Golf]

DG, wow Tom T. suggested that "actuating", firing, the #2 Accumulator should be considered part of STARTDOWN generally speaking? That would make every shot , by definition, a Full Sweep release would it not? I can see it for a short soft high wedge or something but not for full power.

In a world filled with golfers who hit from the Top, Id say Homer was more about storing the Accumulated power (#2 Angle) for a later Release. To say nothing of Float Loading during Startdown where even more #2 Angle, power, is Accumulated.

Using 'both forearms" at the same time to fire #2? Never noticed that before. Interesting. Trying to think of the appropriate Throw combinations for that one. A left wrist throw and a right wrist throw , together? I dunno. That would make for a good thread, a Release thread though.

It's interesting, in Tom Tomasello's Australia Chapter series, Tom mentions that using the two forearm start down approach would add 40 to 50 yards to ones tee shot (right forearm power backing up centrifugal force). It appears to contradict the comments you made in your first paragraph??? Tom never mentioned the term firing the number #2 accumulator at startdown...he didn't mention firing the right forearm at startdown either. The demonstration I believe you're referencing is the letter series video...you need to make the connection between the arms and hands only demonstration that he is making and the comments he makes about the body responding to the arms, especially the left hip responding to the motion of the right forearm (Tommy's arms only demonstration is a demonstration of the "Magic of the Right Forearm" described in the last paragraph of 7-3). Your comments are a classic mis-interpretation of an instructors instruction". Something we've all done!!!

[O.B.Left]

Per Tom Tomasello's instruction...Tom says Homer is telling you how to start the club down in section "6-B-2-0 The Second Power Accumulator"...where Homer says, "Centrifugal Force, Accumulator #1, and the muscles of both forearms, any--or all--are available to actuate this assembly."

DG, I was merely responding to your words above. If this is not representative of Toms beliefs about Startdown then the misinterpretation is not mine, (for a change).

I have no problems with an arm centric perception of things. Im a bit of an arm swinger myself. The quarterback firing a long bomb throw is probably not thinking about his pivot for instance. But that doesnt mean that his arm precedes his pivot actually, sequentially. Homer is very clear that Startdown is the period of Right Shoulder acceleration. The period of Arm/Hand acceleration is later, sequentially. Hogan in the Shell's WW of Golf tape traces this move of the Shoulders (and Arms together, fully loaded Power Package) back to the movement of "the lower body". This all relates to the best drill in golf, to my mind, the Startdown Waggle.

[Delaware Golf]

DG, I was merely responding to your words above. If this is not representative of Toms beliefs about Startdown then the misinterpretation is not mine, (for a change).

I have no problems with an arm centric perception of things. Im a bit of an arm swinger myself. The quarterback firing a long bomb throw is probably not thinking about his pivot for instance. But that doesnt mean that his arm precedes his pivot actually, sequentially. Homer is very clear that Startdown is the period of Right Shoulder acceleration. The period of Arm/Hand acceleration is later, sequentially. Hogan in the Shell's WW of Golf tape traces this move of the Shoulders (and Arms together, fully loaded Power Package) back to the movement of "the lower body". This all relates to the best drill in golf, to my mind, the Startdown Waggle.

Yes, I'm wrong....Tom Tomasello is wrong...and geez we can't forget Homer...he's wrong too!!! Hogan is the Man!!! Why waste your time with TGM!!!

[KevCarter]

Yes, I'm wrong....Tom Tomasello is wrong...and geez we can't forget Homer...he's wrong too!!! Hogan is the Man!!! Why waste your time with TGM!!!

DG, respectfully, I don't think thats fair. Perhaps a different interpretation, but nobody loves TGM more than O.B. yourself, and many other followers of YODA. We are on the same team here...



Kevin

[O.B.Left]

DG, it was not my intention to suggest that either you or Tom Tomasello had something wrong. If that is what I have communicated then I apologize to you.

You are obviously a huge Tom Tamasello fan and I respect you for that. On the other hand I know very little of Tom Tomasellos work, having only seen the Australian videos a few times.

TGM is not the theoretically closed loop that some suggest it is. Homer acknowledged the existence of non catalogued, X procedures. Neither Lynn nor Homer were averse to them in the least to my mind. But I believe that Homer would theorize about the implications inherent in the procedure, I know Lynn sure does having discussed a few of my own, X procedures with him. It was the implications of your two armed pull down in Startdown that motivated my first comments. There are so many usable variations , trillions of them, that to say something is flat out "wrong" would be rather short sighted to my mind.

I got my butt whipped a few years ago by a guy who hit every shot cross handed. He took the game up at the age of 43 too. Amazing. I celebrate the differences and the sameness ...........but really just wish I looked more like Hogan.

PS Speaking of Hogan, at the end of the Shells WW of Golf match they gave equal time to Sam Snead. His start down thought......... a pull down of the left arm! Vive la difference.