Hogan lean into the ball = 3-F-7-C?

[KOC]

Here is the magazine cover of...Hogan lean into the ball...



And our friend golfbulldog produced a clip on that:-

I would like to know is that a snare as described by Homer!

[O.B.Left]

Another nice find KOC. Is it possible to read the article on the Hogan lean?

Is this axis tilt, head bob, missing piece?

OB

[golfbulldog]

I don't think even KOC has this article!

When I saw the cover I presumed that the lean into the ball meant his left sided sag... but the fact the the illustration showed a DTL view made me wonder if a "feel" of leaning towards the ball may not be unhelpful...

I then edited that video and found that he did have a lowering of knees and head and upper body...mostly occuring during the backswing but maintained during downswing.

It appears to be a whole body concertina compression - as others have described elsewhere - rather than a simple head bob...IMO

[golfbulldog]

Maybe you had answer all along, KOC???

Your video

Shows that Ben's head is lowered in the final body concertina move as he prepares downswing and then stays at that level (pretty much) through downswing.....

Whereas Byron's head really dives down during the downswing... bobs

[O.B.Left]

There are a lot of super golfers with a bob of sorts. What should we take from this?

Bobbing is a snare no? But Hogan, Moe etc do it. Or are they doing something else? What gives?

Their radius is shortening but they dont hit it fat. Or should I say that their head is moving down but their left shoulder is going up? NMgolfer wants a shortening radius as a form of acceleration, so there is some physics to it. Hmmm if the left shoulder comes in higher than at address due to a axis tilt, steeper shoulder plane then the golfer would have to lower his shoulder unit and head to make contact..........i dunno....is this right?

Luke, Lynn anybody?

OB

[KOC]

Please accepty my silly perception first... Hogan seldom credited other golfers in helping his golf swing, but the man explained how he LEARNT from Ed Stewart's knee action in his book....I think that is very important in Hogan's swing.

Somewhere I read Hogan helped golfers to start the back swing at "impact" and at that position, the head should be in place...yet we can see his head dropped.

Homer said bobing is raising and/or lowering the Head by faulty movement of the back or knees, and disrupts the Shoulder-to-ball radius and if we go through the fix, we shall not bob...

I don't know in TGM term what is the meaning of faulty movement of the back or knees and hope that Yoda or other Pros can share more.

[O.B.Left]

Nice one.

Do you have Ed Stewart swing anywhere? Mike Austin told a story (read it in VJ's book) of playing with Hogan post accident and Hogan telling him of a dream he had about an old Scottish pro named Jay Broune who pivoted around his left leg.

Also in Vj's book he attributed Hogans head moving down to his axis tilt and missing piece move. If the head is held in place and the spine/legs bow out at the hips (slide) the head must come down. In this case it might not be a "faulty movement of the knees or back" as per Homer, but a correct movement of the hips.

I dunno.

The left shoulder is still on the move but the steeper shoulder plane will with some right arm left at impact will bring it up maybe to near its original position.

Anybody got any ideas? Is a slight bob the logical result of axis tilt if the head is held in place?

OB

[drewitgolf]

I don't think even KOC has this article!

I gave Lynn a copy of this article a year or two ago. Maybe he can post it. Although, I don't believe their was anything earth-shattering in it.

[elygc1]

In non tgm terms it looks like Hogan wasn't in an athletic setup and adjusted during the swing for balance. There are three Hogan models on my V1 and the rear view swing doesn't show any tilt/lean/bob. The tempo on V1 is also amazing how fast the swing is from start to finish. 1.23 seconds total and .6 to the top. I'd have to have 9 cups of coffee and 0 swing thoughts to get my swing that fast.

[O.B.Left]

I gave Lynn a copy of this article a year or two ago. Maybe he can post it. Although, I don't believe their was anything earth-shattering in it.

Hey Drewit

Which way is the lean leaning in the article? Hip shift lean, axis tilt, missing piece, down the line bob?

Thanks
OB