4 Barrel Pattern

[elygc1]

Ouch, my brain hurts. I've been trying to figure 4-Barrel out since I got into the book and don't know. One summer I hit the ball 50 yards farther than ever (300-325 yard carries), I don't know how, but my forearms would hit each other due to a lot of #3. Haven't been able to find that since, maybe just maybe, I had the elusive 4-barrel.

[Mike O]

Ouch, my brain hurts. I've been trying to figure 4-Barrel out since I got into the book and don't know. One summer I hit the ball 50 yards farther than ever (300-325 yard carries), I don't know how, but my forearms would hit each other due to a lot of #3. Haven't been able to find that since, maybe just maybe, I had the elusive 4-barrel.

Ely,
Bucket and I are down here at the Tavern drinking- feel free to join us. Bucket's reading the book looking for 4 barrel information I'm just drinking and getting ready to hang bucket! Come down and watch - should be fun!

[Yoda]

I have watched that TT letter video.

It seems clear to me that he is using a triple barrel swinging action - 1:2:3.

Then his right arm throw action induces a passive release of PA#2 via centrifugal action (rather than an axehandle technique of radial force being applied against pressure point #3).

Do you agree with my description - which is a triple barrel right arm swinging action and not a four barrel swinging action?

[Introductory Note: This post discusses the Swinger’s Triple Barrel Stroke Combination and the erroneous notion that Release Triggers constitute Power Accumulators. In no way am I addressing what Tom Tomasello did in his swing or what he said he did (it varies from video to video and even in the same video). Nor am I concerned with the opinions of others regarding what he did or said he did. I have written extensively on this subject in the past, and I encourage all those interested to search my archived posts. ]

The Hitting Stroke involves Muscular Acceleration through Impact whereby the Lever Assemblies are Pushed via Right Triceps / Elbow Thrust (6-C-0 #1). In contrast, the Swinging Stroke involves Centrifugal Acceleration whereby the Clubhead is Pulled toward its In-Line condition by Centrifugal Force (6-C-0 #4).

All Stroke Patterns – both Hitting and Swinging – require both a Power Accumulator Combination (Component #4) and a Release Trigger (Component #20). By definition, the #1 Power Accumulator (Right Arm Thrust) is restricted to a Hitting Stroke (6-B-1-0). Therefore, the 1-2-3 Triple Barrel Accumulator Combination is limited to Hitters. Similarly, the 2-3-4 Variation is limited to Swingers.

The Hitter’s Basic Pattern (Drive Loading / 12-1-0) lists the Right Arm Throw (10-20-B) as the Release Trigger Variation. The Swinger’s Basic Pattern (Drag Loading / 12-2-0) lists the Left Wrist Throw (10-20-E). Normally, these Variations are restricted to their respective Patterns because each is the natural byproduct of the Thrust produced by the Stroke itself. However, neither option defines its Pattern nor is its use mandatory.

Therefore, in a Swinging Motion (Right Arm or Left), the Centrifugal Throwout Release of the Left Wrist may be Triggered by the Right Arm. Nevertheless, as a Power Source, again by definition, the #1 Power Accumulator is passive.

Summarizing, Right Arm Throw (Release Trigger) and Right Arm Power (Stroke Variation) are not the same thing.

[12 piece bucket]

Ely,
Bucket and I are down here at the Tavern drinking- feel free to join us. Bucket's reading the book looking for 4 barrel information I'm just drinking and getting ready to hang bucket! Come down and watch - should be fun!

This is a first . . . . a sentence with my name with any form of "hang" in it. Thanks Mikey . . . . the dude in the stall next to me was upset that you pee'd all over his feet by the way. I told him that was your way of saying "I think your cute and would like to get to know you better." He said he'd be by to introduce himself . . . . but he didn't seem too happy.

[YodasLuke]

[Introductory Note: This post discusses the Swinger’s Triple Barrel Stroke Combination and the erroneous notion that Release Triggers constitute Power Accumulators. In no way am I addressing what Tom Tomasello did in his swing or what he said he did (it varies from video to video and even in the same video). Nor am I concerned with the opinions of others regarding what he did or said he did. I have written extensively on this subject in the past, and I encourage all those interested to search my archived posts. ]

The Hitting Stroke involves Muscular Acceleration through Impact whereby the Lever Assemblies are Pushed via Right Triceps / Elbow Thrust (6-C-0 #1). In contrast, the Swinging Stroke involves Centrifugal Acceleration whereby the Clubhead is Pulled toward its In-Line condition by Centrifugal Force (6-C-0 #4).

All Stroke Patterns – both Hitting and Swinging – require both a Power Accumulator Combination (Component #4) and a Release Trigger (Component #20). By definition, the #1 Power Accumulator (Right Arm Thrust) is restricted to a Hitting Stroke (6-B-1-0). Therefore, the 1-2-3 Triple Barrel Accumulator Combination is limited to Hitters, and the 2-3-4 Variation is limited to Swingers.

The Hitter’s Basic Pattern (Drive Loading / 12-1-0) lists the Right Arm Throw (10-20-B) as the Release Trigger Variation. Similarly, the Swinger’s Basic Pattern (Drag Loading / 12-2-0) lists the Left Wrist Throw (10-20-E). And normally, these Variations are restricted to their respective Patterns because each is the natural byproduct of the Thrust of the Stroke itself. However, neither option defines its Pattern nor is its use mandatory.

Therefore, in a Swinging Motion (Right Arm or Left), the Centrifugal Throwout Release of the Left Wrist may be Triggered by the Right Arm. Nevertheless, as a Power Source, again by definition, the #1 Power Accumulator is passive.

Summarizing, Right Arm Throw (Release Trigger) and Right Arm Power (Stroke Variation) are not the same thing.

Well, why don't you just take the wind (hot air) out of this thread in one post!?!?

Must you always swat flies with wrecking balls? Party pooper....

[Andy R]

Summarizing, Right Arm Throw (Release Trigger) and Right Arm Power (Stroke Variation) are not the same thing.

Well, there it is.

[Jeff]

Yoda - interesting points.

In particular, you stated:

Therefore, in a Swinging Motion (Right Arm or Left), the Centrifugal Throwout Release of the Left Wrist may be Triggered by the Right Arm. Nevertheless, as a Power Source, again by definition, the #1 Power Accumulator is passive.

Summarizing, Right Arm Throw (Release Trigger) and Right Arm Power (Stroke Variation) are not the same thing.

What you seem to be implying is that TT's description of his right arm throw action is that it can be a trigger for release of PA#2, rather than the way I interpreted TT's description - as an active right elbow straightening action acting against pressure point #1 (right arm power) thereby actively releasing PA#4 via a drive loading action. Are you therefore saying that right arm power cannot be used in a swinger's action (in the way I described)? Also, how does a right arm throw trigger release of PA#2? What's the biomechanical mechanism?

Jeff.

[Yoda]

Yoda - interesting points.

In particular, you stated:

"Therefore, in a Swinging Motion (Right Arm or Left), the Centrifugal Throwout Release of the Left Wrist may be Triggered by the Right Arm. Nevertheless, as a Power Source, again by definition, the #1 Power Accumulator is passive.

Summarizing, Right Arm Throw (Release Trigger) and Right Arm Power (Stroke Variation) are not the same thing."

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What you seem to be implying is that TT's description of his right arm throw action is that it can be a trigger for release of PA#2, rather than the way I interpreted TT's description - as an active right elbow straightening action acting against pressure point #1 (right arm power) thereby actively releasing PA#4 via a drive loading action. Are you therefore saying that right arm power cannot be used in a swinger's action (in the way I described)?

[Bold emphasis by Yoda.]

Jeff,

To your immediate question . . . "Yes."



Now to my own . . .

Did Tommy refer to his heretofore described Right Forearm Action as the Right Arm Throw? It's been a while since I've viewed his many videos on site, and without a return visit, I don't know.

But again, per my previous post . . .

I don't care.

I care only about consistency.

Consistency of description within the constraints of:

The Terminology;

The Principles; and

The Procedures . . .

Of The Golfing Machine as set down by Homer Kelley and illuminated in thousands of posts by myself and many others on this site.

Including yours, Jeff.

IMHO, as aggravating as you can be at times -- -- you're terrific! And I am delighted and privileged to have you posting on my site.

Thanks.

[bray]

Yoda, Yodasluke, Jeff, and everyone else watching this thread,

I'm going to jump in and point out the obvious here which you guys already know.

Any Drive Loading Action or Active Right Arm Power is Hitting.
It can be maximum trigger delay or not but if you feel the right side you are hitting.

Sometimes the only way the teacher knows is by asking the the player....
Do you feel more of a push through impact or a pull through impact????

Jeff, what you describe above immediately became hitting when the right arm got involved.

Hope this helps the thread.

Still Sorting Through the Instructor's Textbook.

B-Ray

[powerdraw]

hhhmmm....if someone feels the right side you are hitting? si swingers should not feel anything in the right side? is that correct? when im at top, i feel a shitload of pressure on my right hand and right shoulder, so am i a hitter?