Input on Book "The Final Missing Piece"

[Florida Lefty]

Hogan felt that almost everyone moved hips too slowly. In teaching a friend he grabbed him by his belt loops on each side and moved him vioently to make his point..

[O.B.Left]

In the Palm Beach home movie where Hogan demonstrates his swing in super slow motion he very clearly slows if not stops his hip rotation through the impact zone. Perhaps this is not what he actually did at full speed.

Im curious if Hogan's hip turn was a quick initial spin of the hips or a constantly powered turning of the hips through impact. Im thinking the former as his balance was second to none. His left foot quiet quiet right to the finish. What do you people think?

O.B.

[Uppndownn]

I agree with your observations. The "missing" piece of Hogan's method (I am guessing since I have not seen the book yet) is that his right hip moved forward toward the target in the backswing. Those of you that have the book, help me out here. Happy Thanksgiving!

UPP in chilly Ohio

[12 piece bucket]

I agree with your observations. The "missing" piece of Hogan's method (I am guessing since I have not seen the book yet) is that his right hip moved forward toward the target in the backswing. Those of you that have the book, help me out here. Happy Thanksgiving!

UPP in chilly Ohio

that's it buzzard boy . . . he submits that the hips turn AND MOVE LEFT during the back swing.

[rwh]

that's it buzzard boy . . . he submits that the hips turn AND MOVE LEFT during the back swing.

The drawings on page 75 of Five Lessons give this appearance.

In the face-on view, it appears that Hogan set up with a more pronounced angle to his right leg than the modern swingers who tend to set up with less angle and then allow the right/trail leg to move more toward vertical on the backswing.

[12 piece bucket]

The drawings on page 75 of Five Lessons give this appearance.

In the face-on view, it appears that Hogan set up with a more pronounced angle to his right leg than the modern swingers who tend to set up with less angle and then allow the right/trail leg to move more toward vertical on the backswing.

There's a great picture in the book . . . and you can see this in the Hogan Collection DVD's too . . . that Hogan's Backfield (butt) is certainly in motion to the LEFT. This seems to be decidedly different in the swings after the wreck. He seems to create Axis Tilt on the Downstroke in the pre-wreck moves but after the wreck it seems to happen on the BACKSTROKE.

I test drove this move the other day . . . took the kids to the school park and busted some wedge shots at them while they were climbing the monkey bars. I took one kid out . . . hit the other one but not hard enough to knock him off.

For those of you that want to see what VJ has described in the book, if you have the Ben Hogan Collection (if you don't GET IT), go to the Swing Revealed 2 disc. At approximately the 1 minute 5 second mark they get at tight shot of Mr. Hogan's lower body. You can see the move.

One point that I liked about VJ's book was that Mr. Hogan was not really a "physical specimine". He was 5'7" and had NO LEGS after the wreck. He still managed to make that move on busted wheels. So it may not be as out of reach as people think it is . . . that is if you know what move to make.

[Uppndownn]

My teacher here in Ohio pivots like that, but not as pronounced as Hogan.
I have incorporated it, with positive results. The ultimate anti-sway move. There are other YouTube videos that have this move depicted. If interested, e-mail me and I will e-mail a link to you. I do not want to list the link here, as this is Lynn's site. Bagger, et al, is this OK?

UPP in too chilly to play Ohio

[rwh]

One point that I liked about VJ's book was that Mr. Hogan was not really a "physical specimine". He was 5'7" and had NO LEGS after the wreck. He still managed to make that move on busted wheels. So it may not be as out of reach as people think it is . . . that is if you know what move to make.

I ordered a copy of "Missing Piece" and look forward to reading it.

[Martee]

I may be off based but I think some of the above posts are not appropriate at this time.

The book is new, very new, VJ is a member here, I have not seen any reviews in the golf rags yet, etc., all of this seems that the details and the secret probably ought to be held back. Doesn't seem fair to the author IMO.

Once it has been outed in the golf rags or VJ comes in here and gives us a run down, I think we should refrain from the details.

I did post a review but was very careful not to reveal the meat of the book, cause if that is done, why buy the book. Even in golf rags when they review, they don't go into deep details, just enough to get golfers intereseted in buying it.

Just my opinion, I did enjoy the book or should I say I am enjoying as I continue to study it.

[O.B.Left]

I have wonder about this too. V.J. has been very generous to LBG.

But there is also the possibility that there is much more to the book than we could discuss here and that if this is the place from which a ground swell of discussion starts it could only be to V.J.s benefit.

Perhaps an admin could ask V.J. for his opinion.