Am I a messed up swinger???

[12 piece bucket]

To add to bucket's previous posts on this.....

keep in mind that the hands (pressure points) should retain their relationship to the plane line, not to the body.

I like this! Could you expand on this here thought?

[EdZ]

I like this! Could you expand on this here thought?

Sure thing Bucket..... we are at the root of Homer's work on this in some ways:

G.O.L.F.

Geometrically Oriented Linear Force

The idea being we are trying to sustain the line of compression, a line of force, that is properly aligned to the result we want. To do that, we are using our hands, specifically the pressure points, to send that force via the club, so it stands to reason that if we want to direct the force, we want to direct our hands.

Where do we want to direct them? On plane - down plane.

Now obviously the rest of the body, the rest of the 'machine', has a relationship to the hands, and to be truly efficient, all the other parts have to align in their respective relationships - but that said -

It is the line of compression that matters, and to that goal, ultimately it is the hands that we can control - so if the rest of the body is all over the place, we can still sustain the line of compression if the hands know where to go - on plane, down plane.

The rest of the body may do all kinds of things to support, or fight, or compensate, but those pressure points are the 'end of the chain'.

If the hands try to stay related to the body, rather than the plane line, you're in trouble unless you have perfect body/pivot motions.

[bts]

I read on this board that swingers are left arm dominant (#2 and #4pp for power), and hitters use their right tricep and #3PP for power. Is this correct? If so, what do I need to use to trace the plane line? I have been using #3pp (right forefinger), but this is for hitting, no??

for "swinging", as well.

If true about swingers using left arm, then what do I do (if anything) with my right arm, besides the BRW?

Pull with the left arm or help the left arm "sustain the lag/resist the resistance" by the way of pulling.

[12 piece bucket]

Sure thing Bucket..... we are at the root of Homer's work on this in some ways:

G.O.L.F.

Geometrically Oriented Linear Force

The idea being we are trying to sustain the line of compression, a line of force, that is properly aligned to the result we want. To do that, we are using our hands, specifically the pressure points, to send that force via the club, so it stands to reason that if we want to direct the force, we want to direct our hands.

Where do we want to direct them? On plane - down plane.

Now obviously the rest of the body, the rest of the 'machine', has a relationship to the hands, and to be truly efficient, all the other parts have to align in their respective relationships - but that said -

It is the line of compression that matters, and to that goal, ultimately it is the hands that we can control - so if the rest of the body is all over the place, we can still sustain the line of compression if the hands know where to go - on plane, down plane.

The rest of the body may do all kinds of things to support, or fight, or compensate, but those pressure points are the 'end of the chain'.

If the hands try to stay related to the body, rather than the plane line, you're in trouble unless you have perfect body/pivot motions.

Good stuff! I think hitting down is a misnomer (sp?). You have used precision language the club hits down ON PLANE.

I think it is very difficult to trust your hands in Swinging because you are feeling the club SLING out hopefully down on plane. There is more LET in Swinging compared to MAKE in Hitting. There are many seeming contradictory principles in Swinging e.g. quick startdown.

I think the startdown is quick but only in the relative sense to the Hitter. It is quick because the Swinger reaches his top handspeed necessarily quicker than the Hitter do to the nature of acceleration required and momentum transfer. That being said the motion is still STRONG DELIBERATE AND HEAVY.

Another difficult thing to get and execute in Swinging is what you have done a great job with here . . . AIMING the Lag Pressure. The pivot and the massive rotor is doing the work but as you have so precisely pointed out the HANDS AIM the forces down on-plane toward the Delivery Line. And with the right hand palm up to the plane this is a total different sensation than the hitter with his non-rotated #3 pressure point and hands vertical to the plane via Single Wrist Action.

Your description above is a fabulous answer to the typical question of how is the Swinger using Hands Controlled Pivot???

Great Post!

Follow up question . . . Do you also relate the hands to the Plane Angle or Deliver Path as well as the Plane Line?

[EdZ]

Follow up question . . . Do you also relate the hands to the Plane Angle or Deliver Path as well as the Plane Line?

Absolutely - the hands are part of the definition of THE plane and are therefore intimately tied to plane angle and plane line, and to the extent they are attached, the right forearm and elbow relationship to the delivery path.

All tie back to grip type, which in very large part help define what the compatible components will be for that player's overall motion.