push and pull?

[KnighT]

Lee Trevino pulled with his last 3 fingers and nobody here will call him a swinger.

I would just go out on a limb here and say there are very few pure swingers on the PGA tour, but alot of horizontal hinge action.

[6bmike]

Lee Trevino pulled with his last 3 fingers and nobody here will call him a swinger.

I would just go out on a limb here and say there are very few pure swingers on the PGA tour, but alot of horizontal hinge action.

There is a pull at the start of the down swing for a Hitter to set up the radial pushing action. I think when folks speak of pulling and pushing at the SAME time - it is at release.

[Bagger Lance]

I would just go out on a limb here and say there are very few pure swingers on the PGA tour, but alot of horizontal hinge action.

No doubt about that!
There is very few pure anything. If there were this place would be pretty quiet.

[Bigwill]

Maybe it depends on what you're pushing. What I mean is, if you're pushing against pp1 (as a swinger) instead of the club, then aren't you just further accelerating the left arm, and thus still swinging via cf? In that case, you aren't accelerating the club both radially and in a linear fashion simultaneously, even if you feel a pull and push simultaneously, right?? I believe someone posted something to that effect here before, but I'm not sure.

[neil]

Maybe it depends on what you're pushing. What I mean is, if you're pushing against pp1 (as a swinger) instead of the club, then aren't you just further accelerating the left arm, and thus still swinging via cf? In that case, you aren't accelerating the club both radially and in a linear fashion simultaneously, even if you feel a pull and push simultaneously, right?? I believe someone posted something to that effect here before, but I'm not sure.

You would be hitting /switting

[6bmike]

You would be hitting /switting

Just because the Right Arm is straightening thru the shot- it doesn't mean that you are using an active #1 Acc and pushing the club as you 'throw-out' the clubhead. You can not NOT have a right arm not drive, even a passive one.

I think a 4barrel Swing is the FEEL of flipping the right hand perfectly at impact. Very controlled throw-Away. And we know the tour guys are masters at throw-Away. We aren't close.

[neil]

Just because the Right Arm is straightening thru the shot- it doesn't mean that you are using an active #1 Acc and pushing the club as you 'throw-out' the clubhead. You can not NOT have a right arm not drive, even a passive one.

I think a 4barrel Swing is the FEEL of flipping the right hand perfectly at impact. Very controlled throw-Away. And we know the tour guys are masters at throw-Away. We aren't close.

But surely if you are feeling pp#1 you are pushing to the point of overiding CF force?

[6bmike]

But surely if you are feeling pp#1 you are pushing to the point of overiding CF force?

I don't think so. You throw the clubhead in an whirl/arc. 1#pp is driving the shaft which can still have a clubhead whirling. Perhaps not the most efficient throw-out but not one that is not overriding CF if CF is still the top dog top dog delivery system.

[neil]

But it is not a"straight line pull"-unless you are swinging the right arm-no?

[Bigwill]

... 1#pp is driving the shaft which can still have a clubhead whirling...

This is kind of what I was trying to get at, although I assumed that, because of its location, pp1 wouldn't be driving the shaft; it woud be driving the left hand(?)