Tommy Tomasello -- The Downstroke Motion

[metallion]

Today I went to the range and hit 15 balls employing Tomasellos down-and-out motion. Results were good. The feel was quite different from my normal swing. I took it to the grounds.

On the first hole I hit a 300 yard drive (best ever on that hole), a SW to 8 feet and made the putt. Other than the putt I employed the down-and-out and thought I'd changed my game forever. (This was only the third time I've birdied this particular hole. It is not easy. And starting the round with a birdie is alwas great.

So. Did I go on to birdie every hole?

Nope.

Not even a PB

But I definietely saw benefit.

One of my issues have been excess lateral movement on the downswing. Employing the down-and-out virtually eliminated it. Worked great as a key for me.

Thanks for sharing, Lee!

[Delaware Golf]

Today I went to the range and hit 15 balls employing Tomasellos down-and-out motion. Results were good. The feel was quite different from my normal swing. I took it to the grounds.

On the first hole I hit a 300 yard drive (best ever on that hole), a SW to 8 feet and made the putt. Other than the putt I employed the down-and-out and thought I'd changed my game forever. (This was only the third time I've birdied this particular hole. It is not easy. And starting the round with a birdie is alwas great.

So. Did I go on to birdie every hole?

Nope.

Not even a PB

But I definietely saw benefit.

One of my issues have been excess lateral movement on the downswing. Employing the down-and-out virtually eliminated it. Worked great as a key for me.

Thanks for sharing, Lee!

Thanks again Lee, Yoda, Bagger

Metallion,

I concur with the 300 yard drive...with this swing the trajectory is sweet when you hit one 300 yards. Just give it 3 to 6 months of practice and play and the consistency will go up nicely. One of the benefits of this swinging motion is the compatability with the hitting stroke pattern....just a few component changes and bammmmm you got another set of distances with your clubs.

DG

[metallion]

True or not: My experience was that the down-and-out idea created

a feel of a Straight line delivery path from the top to Impact Hands location

as well as: (AND!)

A feel of the commonly referred karate chop action

All in the same move

[ldeit]

Bagger,

No need to add anything, Tom said it all. He was helping me get rid of an occasional shot to the right.

As I said earlier, I hope these tapes help.

If there are any questions, I would be glad to answer.

ldeit

[BerntR]

Thanks, Guys. Keep 'cussing and discussin'!

Obviously, there is a great deal of interest in what Tommy, one of the early influential figures in The Golfing Machine®, had to say about the Golf Stroke. And there is no doubt that he influenced at least two very large figures in golf -- Jodie Mudd, the Player and Davis Love, Jr., the Teacher. To that end, we have for you an encore presentation...

Did DL jr pass this on to his son? I think it's a signature of DL III's swing that he brings the club past the left hip.

PS: Another great thread that gets you ... eh .... at least mee thinking.

[metallion]

Did DL jr pass this on to his son? I think it's a signature of DL III's swing that he brings the club past the left hip.

PS: Another great thread that gets you ... eh .... at least mee thinking.

I read DL3's book "Every shot I take" before I took the TGM plunge. It is a very nice book about golf and life. If you pick it up and read it with Tomasello glasses it might reveal that some of Tommys teachings were passed on.

[MizunoJoe]

I just cannot believe that this kind of advice is getting such praise and that the knowledgeable instructors on this forum, who have surely seen this video, are saying NOTHING!

Tomasello is not only advising an independent arm effort from the top, but a deliberate uncocking of the wrists to boot. He is recommending 6-D-1 and 6-D-2, two of the pitfalls which produce THROW AWAY. And to make matters worse, he says that these are done BEFORE the pivot, which he claims is a reaction to these movements.

[wanole]

Isn't Tomesello basically doing the release with roll that Yoda teaches except with the right arm feel?
below is a quote from Yoda.

From the Top, Drag Load (7-19) by Pulling the Butt End of the Club toward the Plane Line. Immediately thereafter, begin a Non-Automatic Random Sweep Release (10-24-B) -- later you can 'kick it up a notch' with the Automatic Snap Release of 10-24-E -- by Uncocking your Left Wrist strongly Downward, also toward the Plane Line. That takes only a fraction of a second, and just as soon as you Feel the strong, Downward Uncocking Motion underway, use its momentum to begin the Roll of your #3 Angle On Line through Impact. You've Launched a Three-Stage Rocket: The Drag Load established your initial Thrust; your Uncocking Left Wrist created the highest Velocity you will be able to achieve; and the #3 Accumulator picked up that Velocity and sustained it into Impact.

[MizunoJoe]

Isn't Tomesello basically doing the release with roll that Yoda teaches except with the right arm feel?
below is a quote from Yoda.

From the Top, Drag Load (7-19) by Pulling the Butt End of the Club toward the Plane Line. Immediately thereafter, begin a Non-Automatic Random Sweep Release (10-24-B) -- later you can 'kick it up a notch' with the Automatic Snap Release of 10-24-E -- by Uncocking your Left Wrist strongly Downward, also toward the Plane Line. That takes only a fraction of a second, and just as soon as you Feel the strong, Downward Uncocking Motion underway, use its momentum to begin the Roll of your #3 Angle On Line through Impact. You've Launched a Three-Stage Rocket: The Drag Load established your initial Thrust; your Uncocking Left Wrist created the highest Velocity you will be able to achieve; and the #3 Accumulator picked up that Velocity and sustained it into Impact.

The pulling of the butt of the club downward, which Yoda describes, is done with the flywheel action of the shoulders - drag loading with initial shoulder thrust. Tomasello says throw the right arm down and out from the top and the pivot responds to that movement.

[metallion]

The pulling of the butt of the club downward, which Yoda describes, is done with the flywheel action of the shoulders - drag loading with initial shoulder thrust. Tomasello says throw the right arm down and out from the top and the pivot responds to that movement.

I feel you are reading too much into this. Even though I've seen the tape and even taken things from it to the course I'd never start the downswing by throwing my arms. I did not even hear him say that. My interpretation was rather that the straight-line-delivery karate-chop thing is what the hands need to do. But to be done "properly" some serious aid from the rest of the body is needed. To me he is talking about a visual that works for some. That visual may have been spot-on what Lee needed based on the tapes and questions that were sent to Tom.

When I saw the tape I felt that this is what he means:
1. [To the top] Hands have reached top. Now what. Just stay here or what?
2. [Hands-controlled-pivot] Then the hands and arms say: Please thrown us out and down on plane!
3. [Pivot response] Flywheel and pivot response

Remember this tape was made for a particular golfer, not for anyone.

And give the man a break.