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04-20-2007, 11:52 PM
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Boo is on the cover of the new GolfWorld. I don’t subscribe to the magazine but one with my name on it was in my mailbox this afternoon. Good Karma because there is a story on Plummer and Bennett.
Loren Rubenstein wrote the piece called Center of Attention. On the cover its called- “No weight shift? The PGA Tour’s hottest new swing theory.”
Please…so a centered head is a no weight shift? I guess that is what it feels like when you don’t sway the head or load over the right knee, then rock over to the left leg.
A centered head with a spine adjusting with the pivot does have a weight shift. It just ain’t a sway.
The article talks about the Tour players that Mike and Andy teach this radical centered head stuff to, how Weir took Plummer’s copy of The Golfing Machine to Thailand last month. And how Andy and Mike meet “after they had become familiar with Homer Kelley’s fascinating cult book The Golfing Machine.”
It’s a nice article but Loren- stay away from instruction.
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12-03-2008, 07:02 AM
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Yoda,
What would be the benefit to start from an elbow plane instead of a turned shoulder plane?
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12-03-2008, 10:27 AM
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Basic Plane Angle And the Address Position
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Yoda,
What would be the benefit to start from an elbow plane instead of a turned shoulder plane?
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Starting from a normal Elbow Plane (10-6-A), even if steeper-than-normal per 7-23 (Editions 1-6 only), is more 'golf-like' than starting on a Turned Shoulder Plane. A visit to a Plane Board set on the Turned Shoulder Plane will confirm the extreme position required to address the Ball on such a steep Plane Angle.
Also, note that I was referring to the longer Strokes. Short Shots -- Putts and Chips -- typically are executed on much steeper Planes (and often with Zero #3 Accumulator Angle). Hence, they lend themselves to the more extreme Address Position required by the Turned Shoulder Plane.

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04-21-2007, 09:16 AM
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He has a terribly convoluted writing style!
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The reason you can't sustain the lag is because you are so eager to make the club move fast (a reaction to the intent of "hitting it far"). So on a full shot you throw it away too early, which doesn't happen for your short chip. (bts)
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04-21-2007, 08:12 PM
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$%#*&$$!
Okay, first of all, Mr. Rubenstein's classification of the Yellow Book's status as being a "cult" book gets Golfworld a letter to the editor from me, and I urge all members of this forum to do the same. I'm betting that if Lynn writes one, it will be the most eloquent and most likely to be published.
Secondly, I found this paragraph from the article absolutely fascinating-
"That the Plummer-Bennett way may not be for everyone is evidenced by Jason Gore's recent return to his longtime teacher, Mike Miller, after a period with the duo. "I was trying to do something that I'm not physically able to do," says Gore, a barrel-chested man with short arms. Says instructor Jim Suttie: "Certain people are not built to do that. If you have a flexibility issue, you can't do that [swing as Plummer and Bennett advocate]."
Sounds to me(from my limited memory of Jason's swing) that they were trying to teach a hitter how to swing...
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04-21-2007, 08:18 PM
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04-21-2007, 08:59 PM
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Letters To the Editor
Originally Posted by BlackjackNY
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Okay, first of all, Mr. Rubenstein's classification of the Yellow Book's status as being a "cult" book gets Golfworld a letter to the editor from me, and I urge all members of this forum to do the same. I'm betting that if Lynn writes one, it will be the most eloquent and most likely to be published.
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Thanks, Blackjack. I appreciate the boost and the inspiration. I will read the article and write if I think I can make a difference.
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04-21-2007, 09:44 PM
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Originally Posted by BlackjackNY
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"That the Plummer-Bennett way may not be for everyone is evidenced by Jason Gore's recent return to his longtime teacher, Mike Miller, after a period with the duo. "I was trying to do something that I'm not physically able to do," says Gore, a barrel-chested man with short arms. Says instructor Jim Suttie: "Certain people are not built to do that. If you have a flexibility issue, you can't do that [swing as Plummer and Bennett advocate]."
Sounds to me(from my limited memory of Jason's swing) that they were trying to teach a hitter how to swing...
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I think he is a swinger. I think one problem is that Gore's physique makes it difficult to get the arms to swing low and inside, like Bennett and Plummer prefer. Trust me, it's a lot easier to have low arms at the top when you don't have some type of upper body bulk getting in the way.
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04-21-2007, 10:30 PM
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Originally Posted by BlackjackNY
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Okay, first of all, Mr. Rubenstein's classification of the Yellow Book's status as being a "cult" book gets Golfworld a letter to the editor from me, and I urge all members of this forum to do the same. I'm betting that if Lynn writes one, it will be the most eloquent and most likely to be published.
Secondly, I found this paragraph from the article absolutely fascinating-
"That the Plummer-Bennett way may not be for everyone is evidenced by Jason Gore's recent return to his longtime teacher, Mike Miller, after a period with the duo. "I was trying to do something that I'm not physically able to do," says Gore, a barrel-chested man with short arms. Says instructor Jim Suttie: "Certain people are not built to do that. If you have a flexibility issue, you can't do that [swing as Plummer and Bennett advocate]."
Sounds to me(from my limited memory of Jason's swing) that they were trying to teach a hitter how to swing...
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Relax- I know Lorne from my days covering sports. He is outside looking in writing this article.
The word CULT = "great devotion to a person, idea, object, movement, or work (as a film or book)." I think that fits fine.
And his said it was fascinating and a Landmark book. Cool.
And if Jack says there is no Laterial shift- I don't think he means the hips don't bump- just that the center doesn't move off the ball. Goes to show what a constant Language does for teaching. And yes, Leadbetter seems like a kid left off a team in the playground because some new kids move into the neighborhood.
Gore. I'm surprised that Plummer and Bennett couldn’t develop a stroke for this guy.
Just goes the show how fortunate we all are to be able to sit alongside Yoda in the Swamp.
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04-22-2007, 05:57 PM
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I have no problem with "cult book".....
Kinda like "cult movie".....
So long as we aren't "deranged cultISITS." 
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