[Mike O]

With your indulgence: "It's like Deja-Vu all over again" Yogi Berra.

I agree, but, with the prior noted exception - posts #48 and %53
Again my #1 would be "true swinger" and #2 "manipulative.

I have said #1 does not exist. The "true swinger" alignments are a SPECIAL CASE of manipulative hands. The FLAT LEFT HAND controls. Always. That would be manipulation.
HB

HB,
I was eventually going to respond to your post 48 and 53 and still plan to do so, however to be honest, that might take a number of posts for us to get on the same page so I've delayed doing that for when I have the energy and motivation.

On another front - above in the quote where you say "#1 doesn't exist". I just want to be clear that you understand the nature of my posts. I'm just relaying my understanding of the concepts in the book. I'm not making any comment about usefulness, if they exist, or anything in regards to application. It's as if one were to start by understanding the concepts and then another stage might be you learn more other information beyond those concepts, and then another stage might be that you disagree or have other perspectives than the Golfing Machine writings. I'm just posting on a limited perspective - stage one - "this is what he means". No response needed - just wanted to make sure you understood my approach here.

I know you were just re-iterating your point - no problem with that - I just wanted to clarify the limited nature and purpose of any of my posts.

It's curious - the lack of questions asked on this forum - in order to understand other's posts. Anyone have a theory on that? (Oops a question!)

Finally, a question regarding your quote above HB.

"I have said #1 does not exist. The "true swinger" alignments are a SPECIAL CASE of manipulative hands."

I'm not being a "smarta..." here - just making sure I understand your perspective or clarifying your post. What alignments of the theoretical True Swinger are a SPECIAL CASE of manipulative hands - can you clarify that for me. In other words - in what way and what alignments are a Special Case for the concept of True Swinging?
Thanks