[BerntR]

Why cant you turn the Shoulders and Trace at the same time? The Shoulders go one way the Hands and Arms go another?

This is more similar to what I do. But there's more to it than shoulders and hands too.

I don't start with the hands on any stroke. I basically start with a hip motion that partly rocks, partly turns the shoulders and keep the club head on plane with good extension. Then the hands path separate from the pivot path. A major part of the shoulder turn happens really late.